Possibilities of a Club Group Buy opportunity.

Abott10 · 12th January 2019, 10:49

I decided to get another L-Shaped Hose for my other ZT-T 1.8T which I plan to put back on the road come the warmer weather. So popped down to nearby FORGE Motorsport in Gloucester. Soon had another.

I enquired about the possibility of using an OE 1.8T Top Hose as pattern to tool up for a limited production run of a silicone equivalent. It was far less than I expected. Initially about £200 to produce the tool and depending on the size of the design, price for a minimum 20 off would be up to £20 each. Probably about 2/3rds that for the Top 1.8T hose.

So mention this to see what others here think. Should there be sufficient interest in say the 1.8T Top Hose, I would be prepared to finance the project after taking a holding deposit for some of the small batch. Any unsold would sell eventually.

FLYING BANANA · 12th January 2019, 10:56

I would be interested.

Neil1 · 12th January 2019, 11:01

Looks nice but one thing to consider, is the silicone pipe OAT resistant?
Because OAT attacks normal silicone pipes.

SD1too · 14th January 2019, 07:54

This kind of dramatic failure seems to occur on the 1.8T engine. It is rarely found, if at all, on the standard 1.8, the KV6 or the diesel, all of which also use OAT antifreeze.

The clean lines of the splits in these hoses are interesting. Why, I wonder, would an assumed chemical reaction result in that? The hose in the first picture looks almost as if a patch had been applied.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's usually the top hose (on the 1.8T) which fails isn't it? What about the others? Why not the heater supply hose for example?

I know that it's reassuring to seize on something to blame which is easy and cheap to replace, but it's really just an assumption that is being made. The evidence actually points to the opposite conclusion for the reasons I've given above.

Simon

trikey · 12th January 2019, 16:55

Simple answer is change to blue anti freeze 👍

victorgte · 12th January 2019, 18:30

That top hose from XPart is £58 plus vat. I had to buy one and only got it at that price thanks to College Motors.
Looks like a good deal especially if more owners buy up the first batch and reduce the cost even more.

tantallon · 12th January 2019, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by trikey

Simple answer is change to blue anti freeze 👍

Ive got 60 litres if anybody local needs any foc

Yorkshire GOC · 13th January 2019, 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by trikey

Simple answer is change to blue anti freeze ��

As i have done

and swopped out rubber for Silicone

Canonite · 14th January 2019, 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by trikey

Simple answer is change to blue anti freeze 👍

Is it even sensible to switch from OAT to silicate antifreeze?

SD1too · 14th January 2019, 16:58

That evidence clearly does not point to OAT being responsible as has been suggested.

Simon

12th January 2019, 10:49	#1
Abott10 * Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 227 Thanks: 1,275 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,328 Posts	Possibilities of a Club Group Buy opportunity. I decided to get another L-Shaped Hose for my other ZT-T 1.8T which I plan to put back on the road come the warmer weather. So popped down to nearby FORGE Motorsport in Gloucester. Soon had another. I enquired about the possibility of using an OE 1.8T Top Hose as pattern to tool up for a limited production run of a silicone equivalent. It was far less than I expected. Initially about £200 to produce the tool and depending on the size of the design, price for a minimum 20 off would be up to £20 each. Probably about 2/3rds that for the Top 1.8T hose. So mention this to see what others here think. Should there be sufficient interest in say the 1.8T Top Hose, I would be prepared to finance the project after taking a holding deposit for some of the small batch. Any unsold would sell eventually.

12th January 2019, 10:56	#2
FLYING BANANA Moderator/Club Shop MG ZT 1.8t+. No.3 of 4 in Sunspot Yellow & Ford Fiesta in Black. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rattler Farm Posts: 22,565 Thanks: 9,270 Thanked 15,645 Times in 6,806 Posts	I would be interested. __________________ 233,431. That’s our second meet done, no.3 next weekend. onen hag oll

12th January 2019, 11:01	#3
Neil1 I really should get out more....... MG ZT-T CDTI Auto Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Newton Abbot Posts: 2,624 Thanks: 1,342 Thanked 518 Times in 425 Posts	Looks nice but one thing to consider, is the silicone pipe OAT resistant? Because OAT attacks normal silicone pipes. __________________ Rover 75 and MG ZT: The Complete Story

14th January 2019, 07:54	#4
SD1too Doesn't do things by halves Rover 75 2.5 Connoisseur Auto (1999) Dealer launch model. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Former Middlesex Posts: 20,379 Thanks: 1,587 Thanked 3,749 Times in 3,181 Posts	OAT, the innocent victim? This kind of dramatic failure seems to occur on the 1.8T engine. It is rarely found, if at all, on the standard 1.8, the KV6 or the diesel, all of which also use OAT antifreeze. The clean lines of the splits in these hoses are interesting. Why, I wonder, would an assumed chemical reaction result in that? The hose in the first picture looks almost as if a patch had been applied. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's usually the top hose (on the 1.8T) which fails isn't it? What about the others? Why not the heater supply hose for example? I know that it's reassuring to seize on something to blame which is easy and cheap to replace, but it's really just an assumption that is being made. The evidence actually points to the opposite conclusion for the reasons I've given above. Simon __________________ "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble." Sir Henry Royce.

12th January 2019, 16:55	#5
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12th January 2019, 18:30	#6
victorgte I really should get out more....... MGTF, MGZT, Range Rover Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Cheltenham Posts: 2,803 Thanks: 395 Thanked 633 Times in 446 Posts	That top hose from XPart is £58 plus vat. I had to buy one and only got it at that price thanks to College Motors. Looks like a good deal especially if more owners buy up the first batch and reduce the cost even more. __________________ MG TF 135, MG ZT, Range Rover P38 Last edited by victorgte; 12th January 2019 at 18:49..

14th January 2019, 16:58	#10
SD1too Doesn't do things by halves Rover 75 2.5 Connoisseur Auto (1999) Dealer launch model. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Former Middlesex Posts: 20,379 Thanks: 1,587 Thanked 3,749 Times in 3,181 Posts	OAT, released without charge That evidence clearly does not point to OAT being responsible as has been suggested. Simon __________________ "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble." Sir Henry Royce.