Disappointed

[bl52krz]

It is called fraud if something is passed off as the same item that was ordered by you, but is not the same. If they are trying to say that it is the same as the item you ordered, then they are wrong again. SNR is not FAG. Report them to trading standards .There must be lots of this going on because people just say ‘well, what can you do’. That saying really gets my goat. As long as they get away with it they don’t give a damn. The fact that another make is considered the same as another is a misnomer. A Ford motor vehicle is not a Jaguar or any other make. It is a Ford. The company, Rover, is extinct, so if a company say’s it used to supply parts to them, oem, then they must have supplied them.

[MSS]

Originally Posted by bl52krz

It is called fraud if something is passed off as the same item that was ordered by you, but is not the same. If they are trying to say that it is the same as the item you ordered, then they are wrong again. SNR is not FAG. Report them to trading standards .There must be lots of this going on because people just say ‘well, what can you do’. That saying really gets my goat. As long as they get away with it they don’t give a damn.

But from what I can see the OP didn't order an SNR item. He ordered an OEM item and if FAG is now the selected OEM manufacturer of part of the OEM assembly, there is no deception involved.

Things would be different if the OP specifically ordered an SNR item and he was sent something different. Even then, I am not sure he could claim it was fraud unless it was marked up as SNR i.e. pretending to be SNR and was not.

[Typhoon190]

Originally Posted by Typhoon190

Well, I owe X-Part and Rimmer Bros apologies.

I ordered SNR bearings from an alternative supplier. I received SNR boxes with the correct SNR part no. R161.27 and . . . . FAG bearing in the box.

I'm sure this part is fine, but I'm so tired of ordering items and not receiving the part I've ordered.

Originally Posted by mss

But from what I can see the OP didn't order an SNR item. He ordered an OEM item and if FAG is now the selected OEM manufacturer of part of the OEM assembly, there is no deception involved.

Things would be different if the OP specifically ordered an SNR item and he was sent something different. Even then, I am not sure he could claim it was fraud unless it was marked up as SNR i.e. pretending to be SNR and was not.

I did specifically order an SNR part for a second time, and for a second time I have not received what I ordered.

[bl52krz]

Originally Posted by rrobson

Although I agree that if your paying for something which specifies a particular component and you don't receive it then your not getting what you've payed for. Especially when something is advertised as oem and isn't.
However, fag are a very reputable company and make good quality bearings so I wouldn't be disgruntled if that's what I'd received. Although not the point I know.
I'd be surprised if the original manufacturer even make the bearings anymore...

In answer to your statement that you doubt that they , snr, still make make the bearing.....they do and it is dearer from themselves than the one we are discussing here. I have also sent an e.mail asking if they have anything to do with FAG bearings. My guess is they do not. Get in touch with snr to find out..

[rab60bit]

Originally Posted by Typhoon190

I'm probably making a mountain out of a molehill about this, but anyway.

I ordered an Original Equipment rear wheel bearing hub assembly for my ZT-T.

https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-RLB100292 This is an SNR/NTN part.

I didn't order the aftermarket part.

https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-RLB100292P

The obvious difference is the ABS ring.

I received this.






This is not original equipment. This is an aftermarket part. I've been told that Xpart can source parts as they see fit, so this is now OEM apparently.

So the same part is both aftermarket and OEM for 2 different prices. I feel this is mis-selling. Disappointing.

Nothing wrong with FAG bearings (FAG Kugelfischer AG, Schweinfurt) now part of SNR. Worked closely with them in the 80's/90's on specialised bearing products, top quality manufacturer (Tornado gyro system supplied by FAG); in the late 1800's Dr. Fischer invented the machine to mass produce perfecty round ball bearings. Schweinfurt was the subject of multiple visits by the US 8th Airforce during late WW2 as is was strategically determined the Nazi war machine would literally come to a 'grinding halt' if the supply of ball bearings were to be seriously interrupted/disrupted - that worked out nicely didn't it, they virtually ran out of new tanks, trucks and aero engines.

[bl52krz]

Originally Posted by rab60bit

Nothing wrong with FAG bearings (FAG Kugelfischer AG, Schweinfurt) now part of SNR. Worked closely with them in the 80's/90's on specialised bearing products, top quality manufacturer (Tornado gyro system supplied by FAG); in the late 1800's Dr. Fischer invented the machine to mass produce perfecty round ball bearings. Schweinfurt was the subject of multiple visits by the US 8th Airforce during late WW2 as is was strategically determined the Nazi war machine would literally come to a 'grinding halt' if the supply of ball bearings were to be seriously interrupted/disrupted - that worked out nicely didn't it, they virtually ran out of new tanks, trucks and aero engines.

You say FAG are part of SNR. I can not find any cross reference in either website to one another. Can you show me where there are cross references to each other. They appear to be two totally different entities.

[RoverP480]

What you are buying is not just a bearing, it is a hub/ flange assembly etc and surely its not inconceivable that NTN(SNR) is using a FAG part in that assembly as a way of producing it without having to make all the parts themselves

[marinabrian]

Originally Posted by RoverP480

What you are buying is not just a bearing, it is a hub/ flange assembly etc and surely its not inconceivable that NTN(SNR) is using a FAG part in that assembly as a way of producing it without having to make all the parts themselves

Yes, but as the outer race is actually formed as part of the hub assembly, they are one and the same.

As an aside, I dislike this type of bearing immensely, they are machined mild steel with induction hardened outer races.

The original equipment (SNR) were drop forged then the flange face, spigot and outer races machined and then induction hardened.

The result is a much stronger, lighter bearing which contributes to less unsprung weight.

Interestingly, this is being marketed as SNR, and I could well believe that, however it is overlaid with an NTN watermark, so do what do we think of the correlation between those two brands???

Take a look HERE





So, do we think that SNR are part of the Schaeffler Group, owners of the FAG bearing brand?

Doubtful, take a look HERE

The fact remains, I would still favour the drop forged type as pictured above.

Brian

[MSS]

Given how long our cars have been out of production, I would guess that the best that OEM can mean is the part meets the OEM specification. In reality, it probably means that consideration has been given to the OEM specification.

This in my view would still be better than a generic aftermarket part where it is highly unlikely that OEM specifications/requirements have been considered in most cases.

It would be interesting to know whether a SNR and a FAG part is available in an SNR marked box and under the same part number.

[marinabrian]

Originally Posted by mss

Given how long our cars have been out of production, I would guess that the best that OEM can mean is the part meets the OEM specification. In reality, it probably means that consideration has been given to the OEM specification.

This in my view would still be better than a generic aftermarket part where it is highly unlikely that OEM specifications/requirements have been considered in most cases.

It would be interesting to know whether a SNR and a FAG part is available in an SNR marked box and under the same part number.

The original design was of the type as I pictured as a NTN/SNR.

When you look at bearings manufactured by machining mild steel as opposed to drop forging, there is a reason for this and the answer is simple, they are manufactured to a price, not manufactured to the sort of standard where you might expect a decent service life.

So anyway, what makes the difference between something like the FAG manufactured one pictured originally, and say THIS.....the clue being the wording used in the advert

" This item is the Genuine MG Rover part - as fitted at Longbridge during production, made by SNR (France)"

Now I happen to know Mat dabbled with some wheel bearings of the machined steel type, and now doesn't, as I fitted one to a rather nice 75 tourer, it lasted for 1500 miles