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Old 22nd February 2021, 11:33   #21
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Bean counters at their best .

Why make use of all the advancements in metallurgy & corrosion protection & the skill and knowledge of engineers when you can just make it look pretty, put loads of gizmoís in it and spend a fortune on "Marketing and Advertising" (AKA something else to me ) and have the thing drop to bits after 8 years .

After all, that's a brilliant plan for getting repeat business. Especially if there's a massive "Club" where everyone knows the "rules" and all produce pretty much the same thing with the same lifespan.

Obviously, there's no sort of environmental impact in having to dig up loads of minerals to re-manufacture something that should still be going strong . Just come up with some more marketing words to say the new one is as green as green can be.

Perhaps I'm just getting old and cynical
New Jags are not pretty inside, they are (the ones I've gotten my hands on) god damn awful. Jaguar, I associate with class and being prestige. The are disappointing. I don't find a "black" interior befitting a prestige car, it is not class. Jaguars are not alone with "black" interiors, it is common across the industry.

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Old 22nd February 2021, 12:12   #22
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New Jags are not pretty inside, they are (the ones I've gotten my hands on) god damn awful. Jaguar, I associate with class and being prestige. The are disappointing. I don't find a "black" interior befitting a prestige car, it is not class. Jaguars are not alone with "black" interiors, it is common across the industry.

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When ordering a new Jag (which I never will) you do have the option of at least 4 colour palettes - it just seems that folk like black. Personally I don't.
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Let's be honest folks, most of the car manufacturers do not want your car to last. So long as it outlasts their warranties (which are often not what you think that they are) they will be happy to sell you another car to replace it! I've heard of some cars which have started to rust through and the warranty was said to be invalid as it was in an area where salt and road gravel could get to!!! How many owners ever get under their vehicles to have a look? I often check sars for sale on the MOT check site and the number of "advisories" that don't get sorted between MOTs is shocking!
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Let's be honest folks, most of the car manufacturers do not want your car to last. So long as it outlasts their warranties (which are often not what you think that they are) they will be happy to sell you another car to replace it! I've heard of some cars which have started to rust through and the warranty was said to be invalid as it was in an area where salt and road gravel could get to!!! How many owners ever get under their vehicles to have a look? I often check sars for sale on the MOT check site and the number of "advisories" that don't get sorted between MOTs is shocking!
In the 50s and 60s cars rusted. Manufacturers cured this because we made a fuss. In the 70s and 80s they had dodgy cambelts, and then along came many electrics which we did not ask for, followed by sensors which cause more trouble than they are worth. Thus idiots keep returning to main dealers and the process starts again. No cars produced in the last 10 years will ever reach classic status, and don't get me started on electric vehicles! The fact that over 90% of all Rolls Royces and Bentley ever built are still on the road says it all.
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I like your analogy of the big club. If they all fall to bits after around 8 years, just think of the income generated. Robbery without the violence comes to mind. Plus just think of the profits generated by selling all the spares if you have not got a warranty for the first 6 years is it.(copyrights)
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I have to agree with the comments people are making.

I remember as an apprentice back in the 1970s, when I was even younger than I am now, we had the discussion about this topic at night school.

It was the opinion of the lecturer, that the lack of corrosion prevention was a deliberate ploy by motor industry to keep sales going.
That was with technology available then.
We can all remember how the cars rusted back then. It wasn't just British Leyland, it was European, American and those from the Far East (only available in a Japanese flavour back then). But Volvo, for example, managed it.

It seems a shame that, despite the technology available today, we seem to be reverting back to those days.
But, there again, there has been a lot of advances in aerodynamics, but people prefer to drive around in bricks.

I am surprised that I can remember anything from night school, as at the Friday night one, my mind was on other things.
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As for buying cars unseen....
Sometimes itís a gamble that you have to take.

Coming from NI, I have travelled across the pond several times, either to get a better deal or mainly, because there is just something on the mainland thats what Iím after, that rarely turns up over here.

On inspection, if things werenít right, itís not so easy to walk away. Not when youíve no yolk to take you home from the middle of nowhere!
When you make the decision to view, youíre almost committed.😯

So that usually means asking the right questions, lots of questions, and trusting the seller!😱


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In defence of X Types (of which I am the proud owner of 4) they only shared 11% of Mondeo components. I originally went for them because I wanted a 4 wheel drive vehicle, but not a Chelsea Tractor, and they certainly fit that bill. They handle fantastically, and were the true successor to the Mark2 Jaguar - a compact sporting saloon.
Very annoying when people compare it to a Mondeo isnt it ? When people used to say that I would tell them to go and sit inside a Mondeo and then come back to me with a comparison, the x type is a much classier comfortable place to be although I am a fan of the ghia x Mondeo. Lets not forget the fact that the interior build quality of a facelift 75 which I can best describe in my experience as a pile of sh*te.

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I have a Jaguar XF Diesel R -Sport 2018 model and have no trouble with it at all.. now on 37000 miles, everything works and a service every two years and low road tax £150 and does around 550 miles per tank of Derv.

I switch back and forth with my 330000 mile Rover 75 Diesel tourer ive also owned from new and thats still going also. I find the modern Jags ok and not problem ish..... its the second hand market which is the lemons issue......

The Jaguar XF R-sport is the 180 Brake horse power model and extremely quick even out of sport and Sport S auto mode. Drop it into Sport dynamic and the suspension solidifies and the handling is out of this world. In regards to interior i have a car with a slightly rare interior with black and white leather interior which are heated and cooled seats.

so i dont have the experience of Jaguars playing up all the time , mine certainly have not including my Jaguar XJ50 zero trouble with that too.

My Rover 75 is now starting to cost some revamp money, nothing too bad.. reverse light switch went last week, easy fix and whilst its in there.. i will get the thermostat done as thats now stuck open since that cold snap around two weeks back. I must say though zero welding on the R75 and i replaced all the suspension and the arms in 2019 and revamp all of it, best money i spent. It drives like a dream even now at 330.000 miles. The tail gate issues which club members raise alot, never had any trouble with mine and the tailgate window operates as it did when brand new.

I still keep the R75 on the road even though we have enough cars not to use it ever again... but i cant decommission her its like a family pet....... brought all the kids up in her all three of them and one of them is 20 years old now... I have pictures of the kids next to that car at the seaside standing only 2 feet tall, now two of my sons stand 6 foot 3 inches......i look back on the family albums....next to the seaside ......the Rover 75 is always there.... i just can't imagine life without the trusty ROVER 75 TOURER DIESEL.......EVER!!!

My sons drive two brand new MG3 cars and they have had zero trouble with them too, and surprisingly cheap to run and very good handling too .....as they have been brought up on British car marques

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I was looking under a 3 year old, 36,000 mile Skoda Fabia a few weeks ago (belongs to the wife of a member on here) and was amazed at the depth of stone chip & seam seal, and the thickness of steel used for suspension arms - very impressive.

The only surface rust I could see was slight and on a small body brace, across the exhaust tunnel.

Thinking back to how Skoda and Jaguar were placed, say 40 years ago (....who remembers the Estelle....), I know which one I'd be buying tomorrow
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