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Old 5th July 2019, 18:28   #11
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I reckon the Golden Age was the late '80s and the '90s, for this reason. Car reliability had improved tremendously with fuel injection systems being almost universally dependable. Many manufacturers (especially Peugeot) were making very well galvanised bodyshells, so your car shell would last at least 10 years, and they hadn't yet been forced into putting so many pollution monitoring sensors and systems in that you need a computer program to diagnose and reset fault codes before you can start actually fixing a "problem" which might turn out to be only a faulty sensor! I still reckon the most reliable car ever was probably a late '90s Honda Civic. Even Renault got it right with the Mk1 Megane 1.4 and 1.6 16valve cars - these are very reliable, and fixable, if needed, unlike their "clever electronics and security" successors.
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Old 6th July 2019, 01:29   #12
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I saw not a single Rover at all in four days, nope not one, evidence that they have all but died a death in European cities,

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Old 6th July 2019, 06:05   #13
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I think we should remember that those that predict the demise of the car are people who live within Cities and the M25 “bubble” in particular.

So crowded that public transport actually works within the “bubble”. But move outside and the public transport infrastructure falls apart.

Unless we have something like “jaunting” evolve as in “The Stars my Destination” I can’t see the demise of car ownership for the majority.
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Old 6th July 2019, 13:37   #14
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So crowded that public transport actually works within the “bubble”. But move outside and the public transport infrastructure falls apart.
So true, I live in a village about 3 miles from the nearest town but you would think I live in the middle of know where when it comes to public transport. There are buses that run through the week from about 6.30am up to about 7pm but after that and at weekends it is a car bike or shanks pony. Even Taxi's charge extra as they wont get a return journey.
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Old 6th July 2019, 14:03   #15
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i was listening to a radio interview with some car guru and interestingly they asked him re automated cars and how soon.
His reply was alot of the hype re automation in cars is still some 20 years off as the current technology really is not up to it yet realiability and safety wise.
He went on to say how current manufacturers are all trying to out do each other with gadgets in their cars which has left some generations unable to operate these cars, citing a car he had to start for a friend and couldnt figure out how to start it.After trying a number of things he realised he had to plug the whole key casing into the dash then press the start button.
A totally pointless way to start a car.
As he said, it appear there is now no uniform set of standards for cars anymore.
Also cited alot of younger people cant afford to buy a car due to limited incomes so there answer is to use public transport and live within public bus routes.
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Old 6th July 2019, 16:12   #16
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i was listening to a radio interview with some car guru and interestingly they asked him re automated cars and how soon.
His reply was alot of the hype re automation in cars is still some 20 years off as the current technology really is not up to it yet realiability and safety wise.
He went on to say how current manufacturers are all trying to out do each other with gadgets in their cars which has left some generations unable to operate these cars, citing a car he had to start for a friend and couldnt figure out how to start it.After trying a number of things he realised he had to plug the whole key casing into the dash then press the start button.
A totally pointless way to start a car.
He can't have been that much of a 'car guru' if he didn't know about key card start, they've been around for over 15 years!
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Old 6th July 2019, 16:49   #17
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What a miserable world these eco warriors and greens want to live in. Mind you, they might stop gripping about everything they have not got then. The problem is all us older citizens have got mostly everything . We have the houses,cars, foreign holidays , a bit of money. All they seem to have is the bellyache about anything. Today’s young society will eventually inherit what we have over the years created by hard work and due diligence. Will they feel the same then? Let us older people have a moan about these young upstarts? No let them get on with it. They will soon have something to really moan about when the next real thing happens.
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Old 7th July 2019, 09:57   #18
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-snip- I still reckon the most reliable car ever was probably a late '90s Honda Civic. -snip-.
My 85yr old mum has (from new) a 1.6 Civic, 1997 model. Top of the range with leather and all the toys at the time. Only 58k on it (auto of course) and, in 22 years just tyres, battery, disks and pads needed.

Only time it played up AA came out (Homestart) and found that the collision cut-out had tripped. A quick push and running again. She has suggested replacing it with something modern....I told her quite bluntly that the Honda will outlast her, anything else will be headaches. And yes, it still drives like new, glides along like a small 75
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My 85yr old mum has (from new) a 1.6 Civic, 1997 model. Top of the range with leather and all the toys at the time. Only 58k on it (auto of course) and, in 22 years just tyres, battery, disks and pads needed.

Only time it played up AA came out (Homestart) and found that the collision cut-out had tripped. A quick push and running again. She has suggested replacing it with something modern....I told her quite bluntly that the Honda will outlast her, anything else will be headaches. And yes, it still drives like new, glides along like a small 75
SHMBO keeps eying up cars and off course her friends are getting new or newer stuff with all the bells and whistles. The other day she got dropped off by her mate who has some KIA with the voice texting thing and she was so impressed. I asked her the last time she needed to text anybody while she was on the move? She drives 1.8 miles to work 3 days a week and goes to Sainsburys in her 2005 Mini at weekends . Last year she did 1800 miles.
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Now this is a strange one, I found these things perversely endearing, and a credible alternative to city cars



You *are* talking about those lovely two-wheeled, human powered vehicles behind that hideous mobility scooter, aren't you Brian?!

I'm afraid the truth is that in the city, even though I love my cars (6 of them at last count!) they're artifacts of the past and rapidly looking old fashioned and are, unfortunately, very much part of the problem, not the solution.

The golden age of car ownership is, I think, probably tied in with the colden age of consumption, which is sometime in the late 1950's into the 1960's. As soon as environmental matters such as recycling, air pollution and global warming etc., became economic factors compromises started having to be made which killed it off.

Oh, to be able to run today's econimical, reliable, comfortable and safe vehicles with those values, in a zero-consequenses environment!
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