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Old 12th February 2019, 07:55   #71
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Bon Jour Monsieur ROSS.

Your comment above. If the brake fluid BOILS then whether it has water in it or not you still have no brakes.---



C'est vrai ???---
Correct! I'd rather it boiled 80 degrees higher, which is why I change my brake fluid regularly! Has the penny dropped yet?
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Old 12th February 2019, 14:12   #72
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What quantity of fluid is required for a change?
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Old 12th February 2019, 14:15   #73
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Hi Dawn. I think you will be suitably impressed when visiting Lates emporium. Donít forget the chocolate biscuits. I suggest you get a quote from a dealer first on how many hours it takes to change the belts. Then see how long it takes Lates to change them.
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Correct! I'd rather it boiled 80 degrees higher, which is why I change my brake fluid regularly! Has the penny dropped yet?
Whoops. I think you misunderstood my post.---

It really doesn't matter how often you change your brake fluid.

Even if REGULARLY meant every week.

If it boils you have no brakes.---

Now has the penny dropped ????---- Brakes failed and he went that way.---Ouch.
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Old 12th February 2019, 22:54   #75
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Whoops. I think you misunderstood my post.---

It really doesn't matter how often you change your brake fluid.

Even if REGULARLY meant every week.

If it boils you have no brakes.---

Now has the penny dropped ????---- Brakes failed and he went that way.---Ouch.
I understood what you meant first time, and I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.

If the fluid boils, you have no brakes. I agree completely. Changing the fluid makes no difference, I disagree entirely.

So we're agreed that you have brake failure with boiling fluid. We're also agreed that brake fluid is hygroscopic, it absorbs water over time... Yes? Old brake fluid boils at a temperature 80 degrees Celsius LOWER than new brake fluid. Therefore, you have a greater chance of suffering total brake failure with old fluid, than you do with new fluid. It's really not a difficult concept.

Clang!....... Ah yes, NOW the penny has dropped
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Old 12th February 2019, 23:56   #76
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Just talking with a colleague in work about her Audi A1. She left it in for a diagnostic after a flashing glow plug light came on -£60 They sent her a video walkaround of the car which was quite impressive, stating what work they believed the car needed. (albeit with no mention of the why the warning light came one!). Timing belt and water pump £399, I thought was dear 'til I looked up the cost of a Gates kit which was £160. It is still dear, however remember this is an Audi main dealer. Next was brake fluid change, at £65, which again in the grand scheme of things I thought less than I expected. Last thing on the list we had rear tail light bulb, we now get to main dealer pricing! lol £35!!!!! For a tail light????? But below each itemised point there was a 'yes please' button and a 'no thank you' button. Allowing her to proceed whilst they had the car or not. I thought it was quite impressive. It does explain why dealer pricing can be so high though.

But the reason for posting was I had advised her to try 'my guy' who I use for things I dont have tools for, or for my mother's car (I am happy to 'learn' with mine, but wont risk putting hers off the road). She didnt, she phoned 'her guy' who couldnt quote her for the timing belt (time change as opposed to mileage, 5 years or 75000 miles, her car has 48k and 7 years with no history of it - they werent really trying to dig their arm in unnecessarily), but he did tell her £27 for a complete fluid change.

£27 for a more responsive and positive feeling pedal. Ok it is half to a quarter the price of a service. But it is also a quarter of the price of a premium tyre that people claim to fit 'as it is what connects you to the road'. They wont keep you on that road though if the what connects your pedal to the pad suddenly decides to compress all its moisture. £13.50 per year? Not that bad really
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I understood what you meant first time, and I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.

If the fluid boils, you have no brakes. I agree completely. Changing the fluid makes no difference, I disagree entirely.
changing the brake fluid makes no difference.
So we're agreed that you have brake failure with boiling fluid. We're also agreed that brake fluid is hygroscopic, it absorbs water over time... Yes? Old brake fluid boils at a temperature 80 degrees Celsius LOWER than new brake fluid. Therefore, you have a greater chance of suffering total brake failure with old fluid, than you do with new fluid. It's really not a difficult concept.

Clang!....... Ah yes, NOW the penny has dropped
However-----In 65 years of motoring on the road I have NEVER, ever read of a car having brake failure due to water boiling in the brake fluid.--

Nor have I ever read about it in my 10 years on this forum.--Must be as rare as hens teeth.

I could see it happening if you were descending from Mont Blanc using the brakes all the way though.--


PS. Looking back through my posts I have NEVER said changing brake fluid makes no difference. Maybe you are quoting from another persons post.--


If you keep dropping these pennies you are going to make me very rich. ( I hope. Lol. )

If you gave me a penny on day one then two pennies on day two then four pennies on day three and so on ( Doubling each time. ) then by the end of a month I would be a multi millionaire.---


Please don't stop.----Every little helps when you are a pensioner.--
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However-----In 65 years of motoring on the road I have NEVER, ever read of a car having brake failure due to water boiling in the brake fluid.--

Nor have I ever read about it in my 10 years on this forum.--Must be as rare as hens teeth.

I could see it happening if you were descending from Mont Blanc using the brakes all the way though.--


PS. Looking back through my posts I have NEVER said changing brake fluid makes no difference. Maybe you are quoting from another persons post.--


If you keep dropping these pennies you are going to make me very rich. ( I hope. Lol. )

If you gave me a penny on day one then two pennies on day two then four pennies on day three and so on ( Doubling each time. ) then by the end of a month I would be a multi millionaire.---


Please don't stop.----Every little helps when you are a pensioner.--
As a pensioner, you'll put your back out dancing around semantics like that.

Having the knowledge that you'll die in your bed if your house catches fire when you're sleeping is not a reason not to fit and maintain smoke alarms. It's basic maintenance of a safety critical system.

A binding caliper can happen at any time, and without symptoms. There's a thread here on that very subject from a couple of weeks ago. I'll take the additional buffer zone that fluid changes provide. Your need to be right doesn't equate to furthering the point of the discussion. For the record, brake fade and failure happens every single day on the UK's roads. I'm not going to endorse the possibility of becoming a statistic.
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... but he did tell her £27 for a complete fluid change...
That seems a bit cheap to me! You could spend more than that on a branded fluid to do the job. Never mind the labour.
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Old 14th February 2019, 09:01   #80
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You could easily spend that, but he won't - garages buy in bulk and get good discounts by doing so.
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