Diesel & Petrol Cars Banned

[Dallas]

Its started already, the future is changing.

France will end sales of petrol and diesel vehicles by 2040.

The announcement comes a day after Volvo said it would only make fully electric or hybrid cars from 2019 onwards.

France set to ban sale of petrol and diesel vehicles by 2040.

Volvo goes electric across the board by 2019.

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That is a long way off, a lot can happen between now and then.

A great idea in principal but if they are the only ones that do that what will owners of fuel powered vehicles do when traveling through? Let say the average life of a car is 10 years that means there are unlikely to be many petrol stations in France by 2050.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

The announcement comes a day after Volvo said it would only make fully electric or hybrid cars from 2019 onwards.



Volvo goes electric across the board by 2019.

No it didnt, from your links


Carmaker Volvo has said all new models will have an electric motor from 2019.
The Chinese-owned firm, best known for its emphasis on driver safety, has become the first traditional carmaker to signal the end of the internal combustion engine.
It plans to launch five fully electric models between 2019 and 2021 and a range of hybrid models.
But it will still be manufacturing earlier models that have pure combustion engines.



Also,

Nicolas Hulot announced the planned ban on fossil fuel vehicles as part of a renewed commitment to the Paris climate deal.

I cannot see it happening fully in my lifetime, however I do believe it will happen at some point. Although I do think it will start in the towns and cities, with centres being completely closed to regular traffic, with vehicles only allowed in for deliveries, and public transport.

As it stands, it is only planned, however I believe there are too many other combustion reliant engines that havent had the development of passengers cars. Lorries being the biggest. Although in saying that with the development of electric buses and further lessons learned from passenger vehicles, will make it easier for lorry manufacturers to further their existing development programs.

I could see nuclear powered cruise liners and tankers though.

[Lancpudn]

I was reading about this also, what worries me is what are they going to do between now and then to diesel/petrol cars!

I copy/pasted this paragraph from one article I was reading....

Authorities in Europe have been looking to raise taxes on diesel vehicles. Diesel cars are more polluting than originally thought, and there are plans to ban or restrict them in some cities.
The German cities of Stuttgart and Munich said they are looking to ban some diesel cars, saying they cause a rise in respiratory disease.

[andymc]

Off the top of my head, Norway plan to do this from 2025, the Netherlands from 2024, India from 2030.

Can't wait, to be honest. All arguments about which fossil fuel is better (either in terms of local air quality in built-up areas or in terms of global impact) are really just arguments about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Both petrol and diesel engines emit particulates - for NOx issues with diesel you can substitute benzene for petrol. LPG burns cleaner than either, but isn't produced at anything like the sort of volume that could replace the other two en masse and introduces an extra layer of complexity (aka "things to go wrong").

I would happily take the engine out of a 75 and replace it with an electric motor of similar power and the likes of a second hand Tesla battery, giving me over 200 miles of range on a charge. Best of both worlds for me - plus if I knew I wasn't going to be driving long distance for a few days (i.e. most of the time) then I could use it to power the house when it's dark instead of drawing power from the grid.

[Lancpudn]

Originally Posted by andymc

Off the top of my head, Norway plan to do this from 2025, the Netherlands from 2024, India from 2030.

Can't wait, to be honest. All arguments about which fossil fuel is better (either in terms of local air quality in built-up areas or in terms of global impact) are really just arguments about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Both petrol and diesel engines emit particulates - for NOx issues with diesel you can substitute benzene for petrol. LPG burns cleaner than either, but isn't produced at anything like the sort of volume that could replace the other two en masse and introduces an extra layer of complexity (aka "things to go wrong").

I would happily take the engine out of a 75 and replace it with an electric motor of similar power and the likes of a second hand Tesla battery, giving me over 200 miles of range on a charge. Best of both worlds for me - plus if I knew I wasn't going to be driving long distance for a few days (i.e. most of the time) then I could use it to power the house when it's dark instead of drawing power from the grid.

I agree Andy, My next car is going to be a BEV as it would suit my driving habits perfectly now I've retired.

[Lordy]

This sort of thing worries me in the future where I'd like too own more classics.

Plus with the tax prices as well, it will put a lot of people off other good way of getting everyone into the electric hybrids.

Give it afew years and internal combustion engines will be the thing of the past.

Till we see these electric cars are like and if there reliable I'll stick too what I know and love.

If anyone forces too scrap my cars they'd have too kill me.

[topman]

Things do seem to be changing in the car business. I wonder how much the main car manufacturers will treat this idea? I think we'll need a huge infrastructure to try anything of this size in such a short space of time.

[Lancpudn]

Besides I want to be playing about like this on my BEV car when I get it , unfortunately I don't have Tesla deep pockets but they've programmed one of this devices (Alexa I think) to do similar on a Nissan Leaf which I'll be getting.

[HarryM1BYT]

Nuclear powered 75 anyone