Got hit by an uninsured traveller - Page 3

Arctic · 2nd July 2018, 09:28

Dan
So basically there is to forms of law one for us, and one for the traveller ? I am sure if you or I drove our car with no tax or insurance we would be dealt with, never mind the question of the damage cause by an accident.

I would still press this further contact your local MP and ask for his help with the police not taking action

vacuman · 2nd July 2018, 09:34

Another way to look at it is cost.

Damage caused, a few hundred pounds. Cost for the Police to do anything about it, potentially thousands.

Doesn't help the original poster but in this age of scarce Police resources I don't blame them for picking their fights.

first-things-first · 2nd July 2018, 09:52

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Originally Posted by vacuman

Another way to look at it is cost.

Damage caused, a few hundred pounds. Cost for the Police to do anything about it, potentially thousands.

Doesn't help the original poster but in this age of scarce Police resources I don't blame them for picking their fights.

All very nice and sounds logical, but if you sort the "small" stuff like this then the rest does not happen as a consequence. Petty criminals become bolder, if they are not dealt with.

This is also society's problem. If we thought about how and who we are dealing with then we would say no to block paving by disreputable travellers, no to "here's £20 to clear my rubbish and dump it somewhere else" and no in general to the too easy cash in hand society. You need to pay that little extra to get things disposed of correctly or work done properly with accountability if something goes wrong.

ceedy · 2nd July 2018, 10:06

A jokey pic , but unfortunately somewhat accurate ???

C

kaiser · 2nd July 2018, 10:18

This is not aimed at this particular case, as I don't have a clue what went on. So don't take this personally!

It basically takes two idiots to cause an accident, in most cases.

The idiot that causes the accident, and the other idiot that did not see it coming!
That is difficult to swallow, because most will say "I was in the right". And legally they might well be, but now they sit with the consequences.
Maybe better to be cautious even when in the right, especially if you are driving the lesser vehicle.

As my driving instructor told me, many years ago.
"Better to be alive for being cautious, than buried 9 feet under for being right!"
Many years of motor cycle driving has given me ample reasons to appreciate this advice.

grivas · 2nd July 2018, 10:53

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Originally Posted by AndyN01

So....

Being involved in a collision which causes damage and loss without any insurance or road tax (or whatever it's called!) apparently isn't a matter for the Police.

So no laws have been broken then? These "offenses" do not appear in Court for a Judge to consider if any law has been broken any the appropriate punishment?

Erm......

Andy.

Can't argue with our legal system! I always thought it was the best in the world! .
So evidently there is no need for licence MOT,insurance etc as our police force will not get involved apparently unless there is an injury.!

Avulon · 2nd July 2018, 12:50

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Originally Posted by kaiser

This is not aimed at this particular case, as I don't have a clue what went on. So don't take this personally!

It basically takes two idiots to cause an accident, in most cases.

The idiot that causes the accident, and the other idiot that did not see it coming!
That is difficult to swallow, because most will say "I was in the right". And legally they might well be, but now they sit with the consequences.
Maybe better to be cautious even when in the right, especially if you are driving the lesser vehicle.

As my driving instructor told me, many years ago.
"Better to be alive for being cautious, than buried 9 feet under for being right!"
Many years of motor cycle driving has given me ample reasons to appreciate this advice.

Couldn't agree more with the above. As I found out through personal experience: you can take signage, white lines, arrows on the road, and anything else directing traffic and completely ignore it, especially on a roundabout. Whatever the highway code might say - forget it. If you're in a collision on a roundabout everyone involved is partly to blame in the eyes of our traffic law system (as it's practically applied).

No insurance, tax or MOT is a straightforward motoring offence though and if presented with a report the police should act.

Dansrockin · 2nd July 2018, 20:59

Just to update in this, I managed to track down a Wedgewood 75 this morning in Stoke on Trent, so after a 160 mile round trip and a couple of hours work, the car is back to how it was before the prang.
We also went to the police station this morning to give a statement about my daughters incident yesterday, the person dealing with the statement was a retired copper now working as a civilian doing admin duties. He said he's disgusted with the way travellers get treated by the law, but unfortunately the police have to work within the law, and until the law is changed to protect the victim rather than the criminals, these things are going to carry on. He encouraged us to make a complaint about the way the police handled the incident.
Fortunately, around 2 hours ago after another visit from the police, the travellers have moved out of the field and left the area. They'll no doubt move onto another community and devastate it and the residents though.
As for my accident yesterday, I drive very cautiously and am generally aware of everything around me, due to 20 years of riding bikes also. I guess I perhaps could've been a little more cautious and held back a bit more on the roundabout, but it was a two lane road, he was completely in the lane to turn left, and I was in the lane to turn right. I'd actually started to go past him as I went round, when he just accelerated and turned right and cut right in front of me. Not really much I could've done to avoid him. It's all sorted now though, and it's just given me a wake-up call to be even more observant on the roads!

bl52krz · 2nd July 2018, 22:44

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Originally Posted by Dansrockin

I agree, there are two types of travellers, there are the proper ones who keep themselves to themselves, don't outstay their welcome, leave an area the way they found it, and generally try to keep out of the limelight. Then there are the ones that we always seem to get round here. Dirty, thieving scum who have absolutely no care for anyone or anything that isn't theirs. Last week there were reports of traveller kids threatening little kids with knives in the local park, dog walkers being threatened with guns, and the dogs being forceably taken, cars bring broken into, toilet waste being dumped on the roadside, numerous fences being broken down and burnt, fights breaking out in the local pub, shoplifting, and numerous car accidents involving uninsured vans. The kids that shot at my daughter today matched the description of the ones that were in the park last week with knives.
However, because they're on private land, there's nothing that can be done. The landowner has been threatened in the past when he tried to move them on, so now whenever they turn up he has nothing to do with it. The police just don't seem interested. I waited 7 hours tonight after reporting the shooting incident, before getting told that they probably wouldn't get to us tonight as they've been very busy! I've now got to go to the station in the morning with my daughter to make a statement. If shooting at two 14 year old girls isn't a priority, then the law in this country really has gone up the spout! Considering the gun and knife issues that other parts of the country are having at the minute, you'd think that violent armed crime would be something the police would be pretty hot on at the minute, but because they're travellers, they seem to be outside the law. I wonder if I got hold of a shotgun and went over to the camp and let rip tonight, how long it would be before I was arrested!

Sorry but your problem is you do not understand how these people work. We had about 5/6 caravans park on land near us and there was ‘stuff’ disappearing overnight. Around ten of us dolled ourselves up so not to be recognised, and went to the site at I think around 1.00 am banged on the doors of the caravans and shouted that if they were not gone by 6.00 pm that night, they would be firebombed. We left two bottles full of water on the floor by the caravans, with wicks hanging out. They were gone by 3.00 pm that day. Sorry but you have to meet fire with bigger fire. Please don’t waste your time telling me I was a naughty lad. You have to protect your own. And guess what......................................they have not been back. Moral:- do nothing you get nothing. People today are to cowardly to do anything but moan and post on a similar effort to what I am on now. Until people get up off their hind legs and do something themselves, it will continue to get worse. And police are a waste of time, and I have also told our local police that.

Stickman · 2nd July 2018, 22:55

Travellers imho are akin to rats 🐀
Should be treated as such
If they were forcibly castrated at birth
Thus stopping the forced inbreeding
We’d be rid of the problem relatively quickly

Regards
Chris

2nd July 2018, 09:28	#21
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kaiser This is my second home 75 Tourer 2.5 Auto, 1.8T, 75V8ZT Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Johannesburg ZA Posts: 6,200 Thanks: 1 Thanked 859 Times in 613 Posts	This is not aimed at this particular case, as I don't have a clue what went on. So don't take this personally! It basically takes two idiots to cause an accident, in most cases. The idiot that causes the accident, and the other idiot that did not see it coming! That is difficult to swallow, because most will say "I was in the right". And legally they might well be, but now they sit with the consequences. Maybe better to be cautious even when in the right, especially if you are driving the lesser vehicle. As my driving instructor told me, many years ago. "Better to be alive for being cautious, than buried 9 feet under for being right!" Many years of motor cycle driving has given me ample reasons to appreciate this advice. __________________ Worth his V8 in gold

2nd July 2018, 20:59	#28
Dansrockin Posted a thing or two MG ZT number 1 of 25 celestial!! Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Banbury Posts: 1,967 Thanks: 208 Thanked 242 Times in 166 Posts	Just to update in this, I managed to track down a Wedgewood 75 this morning in Stoke on Trent, so after a 160 mile round trip and a couple of hours work, the car is back to how it was before the prang. We also went to the police station this morning to give a statement about my daughters incident yesterday, the person dealing with the statement was a retired copper now working as a civilian doing admin duties. He said he's disgusted with the way travellers get treated by the law, but unfortunately the police have to work within the law, and until the law is changed to protect the victim rather than the criminals, these things are going to carry on. He encouraged us to make a complaint about the way the police handled the incident. Fortunately, around 2 hours ago after another visit from the police, the travellers have moved out of the field and left the area. They'll no doubt move onto another community and devastate it and the residents though. As for my accident yesterday, I drive very cautiously and am generally aware of everything around me, due to 20 years of riding bikes also. I guess I perhaps could've been a little more cautious and held back a bit more on the roundabout, but it was a two lane road, he was completely in the lane to turn left, and I was in the lane to turn right. I'd actually started to go past him as I went round, when he just accelerated and turned right and cut right in front of me. Not really much I could've done to avoid him. It's all sorted now though, and it's just given me a wake-up call to be even more observant on the roads!

2nd July 2018, 22:55	#30
Stickman Posted a thing or two Rover 75 saloon Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Bordon Posts: 1,856 Thanks: 250 Thanked 403 Times in 352 Posts	Travellers imho are akin to rats 🐀 Should be treated as such If they were forcibly castrated at birth Thus stopping the forced inbreeding We’d be rid of the problem relatively quickly Regards Chris