Worrying situation

Mike Trident · 1st November 2021, 17:53

Just read this on a Facebook Post.
This is very worrying
https://flic.kr/p/2mFQJGg
If you read the bottom section of the picture it says no modifications from standard, software and hardware . Plus you can only have you say on the government website till the 22nd of November. Dynodaze and many other company's like us up and down the country supplying ,fitting and mapping in modified parts would be out of business over night. Funny how this is our core business and yet we have not been notified of any of this , I'm reading it on social media.
Have your say .
https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...ling-tampering

genpk · 1st November 2021, 18:16

the manufacturers and govt dont care about classic cars, infact they see them as polluting vehicles, the vehicle manufacturers are pushing hard to be get rid of the small independent mechanical shops through licensing their own IT for their cars so you will only be able to go to them for servicing.
Sort of what the large grocery chains did to the local corner stores.

macafee2 · 1st November 2021, 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Trident

Just read this on a Facebook Post.
This is very worrying
https://flic.kr/p/2mFQJGg
If you read the bottom section of the picture it says no modifications from standard, software and hardware . Plus you can only have you say on the government website till the 22nd of November. Dynodaze and many other company's like us up and down the country supplying ,fitting and mapping in modified parts would be out of business over night. Funny how this is our core business and yet we have not been notified of any of this , I'm reading it on social media.
Have your say .
https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...ling-tampering

Perhaps I am missing something but it does not cover a remap but does cover an EGR bypass.

Apat from the EGR bypass, what are your concerns?

macafee2

clf · 1st November 2021, 18:35

will these legislations not be introduced for vehicles made after a certain date? (I couldnt see anything about this).

I was once given an option to remove the cat on an old passat I had. Which I could legally do apparently, as it was first registered before 2004 or something similar - this was around 2008). But if it was a newer car, I had to have it. I believe currently there is similar regarding DPFs and their removal.

Mike Trident · 1st November 2021, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by macafee2

Perhaps I am missing something but it does not cover a remap but does cover an EGR bypass.

Apat from the EGR bypass, what are your concerns?

macafee2

No modifications from standard, software or hardware!

Surely software would include a remap?

Mike Trident · 1st November 2021, 19:22

If everything has to be totally standard, it will be nigh on impossible to keep one of these cars on the road.

macafee2 · 1st November 2021, 20:13

I did not know what NRMM was so looked it up, if you dont know, see below

Non-road mobile machinery (NRMM) is defined as any mobile machine or vehicle that is not solely intended for carrying passengers or goods on the road.

macafee2

bl52krz · 1st November 2021, 20:41

So does it apply or not to our vehicles. Is it being misinterpreted? Oh sorry. It is evidently on facearse, so it must be true.

Mike Trident · 2nd November 2021, 00:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by macafee2

I did not know what NRMM was so looked it up, if you dont know, see below

Non-road mobile machinery (NRMM) is defined as any mobile machine or vehicle that is not solely intended for carrying passengers or goods on the road.

macafee2

But it's not just NRMM

"Tackling tampering
We will create new offences for tampering with a system, part or component of a vehicle intended or adapted to be used on a road. This will enable us to address existing gaps in the legislation, ensuring cleaner and safer vehicles. We will also create new offences for tampering with non-road mobile machinery (NRMM) and for advertising ‘tampering’ services or products."

If you read all the magazine article it appears it's worrying the classic car scene. Even the MG owners club technical advisor has expressed his concerns.

coab · 2nd November 2021, 06:26

I would of thought this applies to the next generation cars not existing ones. EGR bypass and Cat and DPF removal have been illegal for years. Everyone who block a EGR valve etc knows why its fitted to the car.
The modern cars will be like a robot reporting any faults etc to the manufacturer and authorities!

1st November 2021, 17:53	#1
Mike Trident Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDTi Saloon & Citroen C1 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Oakenshaw, Near Bradford Posts: 1,622 Thanks: 385 Thanked 552 Times in 328 Posts	Worrying situation Just read this on a Facebook Post. This is very worrying https://flic.kr/p/2mFQJGg If you read the bottom section of the picture it says no modifications from standard, software and hardware . Plus you can only have you say on the government website till the 22nd of November. Dynodaze and many other company's like us up and down the country supplying ,fitting and mapping in modified parts would be out of business over night. Funny how this is our core business and yet we have not been notified of any of this , I'm reading it on social media. Have your say . https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...ling-tampering __________________ Rover 75 2.0 CDTi (131Ps) Conn SE Saloon. (Manual) 160 Remap, cruise control, electric window blind, temp gauge, Real walnut / ZT interior, FBH with GSM control. BORN Tuesday, 5th October 2004 @ 12:35:52 This vehicle was the 104,679th 75 to run off the production line, out of 112,381 This vehicle was the 3,318th 75 CDT Connoisseur SE (135) to be made out of 4,744 This vehicle was the 12,440th 75 in Starlight Silver (code: MBB) to be made out of 14,280 Starlight Silver 75s Last edited by Mike Trident; 1st November 2021 at 17:59..

1st November 2021, 18:35	#4
clf This is my second home MG ZT CDTi Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: carrick Posts: 7,859 Thanks: 3,494 Thanked 2,657 Times in 1,973 Posts	will these legislations not be introduced for vehicles made after a certain date? (I couldnt see anything about this). I was once given an option to remove the cat on an old passat I had. Which I could legally do apparently, as it was first registered before 2004 or something similar - this was around 2008). But if it was a newer car, I had to have it. I believe currently there is similar regarding DPFs and their removal. __________________ It is not gloss primer .............. it is duct tape silver!

1st November 2021, 19:22	#6
Mike Trident Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDTi Saloon & Citroen C1 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Oakenshaw, Near Bradford Posts: 1,622 Thanks: 385 Thanked 552 Times in 328 Posts	If everything has to be totally standard, it will be nigh on impossible to keep one of these cars on the road. __________________ Rover 75 2.0 CDTi (131Ps) Conn SE Saloon. (Manual) 160 Remap, cruise control, electric window blind, temp gauge, Real walnut / ZT interior, FBH with GSM control. BORN Tuesday, 5th October 2004 @ 12:35:52 This vehicle was the 104,679th 75 to run off the production line, out of 112,381 This vehicle was the 3,318th 75 CDT Connoisseur SE (135) to be made out of 4,744 This vehicle was the 12,440th 75 in Starlight Silver (code: MBB) to be made out of 14,280 Starlight Silver 75s

1st November 2021, 20:41	#8
bl52krz This is my second home Rover 75 cdt club + Rover 2.5 KV6 Conni SE Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 11,385 Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 2,262 Times in 1,729 Posts	So does it apply or not to our vehicles. Is it being misinterpreted? Oh sorry. It is evidently on facearse, so it must be true. __________________ Great Barr, Birmingham. Last edited by bl52krz; 1st November 2021 at 20:43..

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1st November 2021, 18:16	#2
genpk Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Saloon MGZT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Perth, AUSTRALIA Posts: 1,662 Thanks: 3 Thanked 461 Times in 299 Posts	the manufacturers and govt dont care about classic cars, infact they see them as polluting vehicles, the vehicle manufacturers are pushing hard to be get rid of the small independent mechanical shops through licensing their own IT for their cars so you will only be able to go to them for servicing. Sort of what the large grocery chains did to the local corner stores.

1st November 2021, 20:13	#7
macafee2 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon & Tourer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Lincoln Posts: 14,908 Thanks: 1,630 Thanked 3,032 Times in 2,181 Posts	I did not know what NRMM was so looked it up, if you dont know, see below Non-road mobile machinery (NRMM) is defined as any mobile machine or vehicle that is not solely intended for carrying passengers or goods on the road. macafee2

2nd November 2021, 06:26	#10
coab This is my second home 2007 57 GOLF GTi EDITION 30 DSG Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Newport Shropshire and Coventry. Posts: 5,137 Thanks: 2,424 Thanked 1,452 Times in 852 Posts	I would of thought this applies to the next generation cars not existing ones. EGR bypass and Cat and DPF removal have been illegal for years. Everyone who block a EGR valve etc knows why its fitted to the car. The modern cars will be like a robot reporting any faults etc to the manufacturer and authorities!