Solid flywheel kit ? or not ?

ihatedeskjets · 16th December 2014, 12:54

Hi All,

Just a quickie, anybody got any thoughts on why I should not buy this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3810130921...195%26_rdc%3D1

I'm pretty sure my clutch is starting to slip ( revs increase without speed increase on some hills in 3rd gear and I have to back off the throttle a bit)

Thanks

Heddy · 16th December 2014, 14:02

I don't think solid flywheels are recommended. Usually it's the clutch and slave cylinder that need replacing. The flywheel is checked for excess movement at the time of replacing these. To add a flywheel would escalate the cost considerably, maybe at the expense of the quality of the clutch. Hope your problems are just the usual suspects.

smiffyg50skm · 16th December 2014, 14:41

I got a solid flywheel kit for my diesel and regretted it ever since. A vibration runs through the whole car when you put your foot down. Its bad enough for me to consider finding a good 2nd hand DM flywheel and swapping it back! Ruins the car in my opinion.
£138 is very cheap though, I cant remember what mine cost but it was a lot more then that.

DMGRS · 16th December 2014, 14:47

Definitely not. The DMF will likely be fine - we've changed many at our workshop and none to date have needed a DMF, or even been close.

A full clutch kit for the diesel from Borg & Beck with an LuK Slave Cylinder is what I'd recommend - many members have them fitted. Here they are:
Clutch Kit - 75/ZT CDTi (Borg & Beck)

ihatedeskjets · 16th December 2014, 14:56

Ok thnx guys, I'm off work for 3 weeks hols

so my mechie can check the flywheel and hopefully just replace the usual culprits. It's on 86.5 k now so probably it's first change.

Thanks

DMGRS · 16th December 2014, 14:58

You can see if you're on your first Slave Cylinder (and probably therefore first clutch as they should be changed together) by checking the pipework entering the gearbox for the Slave - if plastic, it's factory fitted. If metal, it's been replaced.

kaiser · 16th December 2014, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by smiffyg50skm

I got a solid flywheel kit for my diesel and regretted it ever since. A vibration runs through the whole car when you put your foot down. Its bad enough for me to consider finding a good 2nd hand DM flywheel and swapping it back! Ruins the car in my opinion.
£138 is very cheap though, I cant remember what mine cost but it was a lot more then that.

Which solid kit did you get and what clutch plate did you use.?
A vibration sounds like something is not done properly, maybe an engine or gearbox mounting.
A solid flywheel will not cause vibration if installed correctly.
It would be worth having the car checked.

Roverite · 17th December 2014, 09:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaiser

Which solid kit did you get and what clutch plate did you use.?
A vibration sounds like something is not done properly, maybe an engine or gearbox mounting.
A solid flywheel will not cause vibration if installed correctly.
It would be worth having the car checked.

Just my opinion, but I think the Dual Mass OE flywheel is used to smooth out the forces between engine and drive train, so, whilst a solid flywheel does not create the vibration etc., it also doesn't smooth out any vibration from the engine side. Of course, there could be a problem with the fitting of the components, as you suggest, after all, flywheels and some clutch components should be 'balanced' at the time of manufacture, so it is critical that the assembly is then done correctly.

Roverite.

mh007 · 17th December 2014, 10:01

Here we go again.

There are always going to be differing opinions about this subject but the general feeling for the R75/ZT Diesel is:

There have been reports of snapped crankshafts after fitting a solid flywheel.

People who have fitted the kit are not happy & wished they had stuck to the DMF.

So, if I were you, I would definitely stay with the DMF.

In response to Kaiser's post:

Yes, a solid flywheel can & almost certainly will create a more aggressive 'bite' on the clutch which could give the impression of a vibration so I agree with Roverite.

I don't think the discussion will stop there though will it ?!!

Gazmo65 · 17th December 2014, 10:36

I was talking to the garage the looked after my car before I bought it from the previous owner a few years ago and it turns out that my car had 3 clutches by 48000 miles but no DMF, I bought it with 52000 on the clock and it has clocked over 102000 now and needs a new clutch, the previous driver was mainly a woman(I am waiting for some abuse now) she couldnt get on with a manual car and now drives an automatic

16th December 2014, 12:54	#1
ihatedeskjets Regular poster Rover 75 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: GOODWICK Posts: 41 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Solid flywheel kit ? or not ? Hi All, Just a quickie, anybody got any thoughts on why I should not buy this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3810130921...195%26_rdc%3D1 I'm pretty sure my clutch is starting to slip ( revs increase without speed increase on some hills in 3rd gear and I have to back off the throttle a bit) Thanks __________________ http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...ine=1418560028 Bought for £700 with only 86k on the clock with new wishbones, and all front arms / bushes / joints recently replaced. Things I've done: New MAf, EGR bypass, Service, O-rings, New discs and pads all round, Borg n Beck Clutch, Double din GPS dvd R/Cam, New front grill, Belts. Things to do: Shocks all round, and fix the abs / speedo.

16th December 2014, 14:02	#2
Heddy This is my second home None Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: None Posts: 5,556 Thanks: 465 Thanked 1,161 Times in 924 Posts	I don't think solid flywheels are recommended. Usually it's the clutch and slave cylinder that need replacing. The flywheel is checked for excess movement at the time of replacing these. To add a flywheel would escalate the cost considerably, maybe at the expense of the quality of the clutch. Hope your problems are just the usual suspects. Last edited by Heddy; 16th December 2014 at 14:04..

16th December 2014, 14:47	#4
DMGRS Discount MG Rover Spares Rover 75 CDTi, 2x MG ZS180 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Hythe, Southampton Posts: 11,320 Thanks: 456 Thanked 3,377 Times in 2,027 Posts	Definitely not. The DMF will likely be fine - we've changed many at our workshop and none to date have needed a DMF, or even been close. A full clutch kit for the diesel from Borg & Beck with an LuK Slave Cylinder is what I'd recommend - many members have them fitted. Here they are: Clutch Kit - 75/ZT CDTi (Borg & Beck) __________________ Your trusted MG Rover specialist! Tel: 02380 001133 / Email: [email protected] We now have a 'chat' function on our site for even quicker replies. Give it a try! Remember - discount code FORUM5 for 5% off

16th December 2014, 14:56	#5
ihatedeskjets Regular poster Rover 75 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: GOODWICK Posts: 41 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Ok thnx guys, I'm off work for 3 weeks hols so my mechie can check the flywheel and hopefully just replace the usual culprits. It's on 86.5 k now so probably it's first change. Thanks __________________ http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...ine=1418560028 Bought for £700 with only 86k on the clock with new wishbones, and all front arms / bushes / joints recently replaced. Things I've done: New MAf, EGR bypass, Service, O-rings, New discs and pads all round, Borg n Beck Clutch, Double din GPS dvd R/Cam, New front grill, Belts. Things to do: Shocks all round, and fix the abs / speedo.

16th December 2014, 14:58	#6
DMGRS Discount MG Rover Spares Rover 75 CDTi, 2x MG ZS180 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Hythe, Southampton Posts: 11,320 Thanks: 456 Thanked 3,377 Times in 2,027 Posts	You can see if you're on your first Slave Cylinder (and probably therefore first clutch as they should be changed together) by checking the pipework entering the gearbox for the Slave - if plastic, it's factory fitted. If metal, it's been replaced. __________________ Your trusted MG Rover specialist! Tel: 02380 001133 / Email: [email protected] We now have a 'chat' function on our site for even quicker replies. Give it a try! Remember - discount code FORUM5 for 5% off

16th December 2014, 14:41	#3
smiffyg50skm Newbie rover 75 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Bideford Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I got a solid flywheel kit for my diesel and regretted it ever since. A vibration runs through the whole car when you put your foot down. Its bad enough for me to consider finding a good 2nd hand DM flywheel and swapping it back! Ruins the car in my opinion. £138 is very cheap though, I cant remember what mine cost but it was a lot more then that.

17th December 2014, 10:01	#9
mh007 This is my second home MG ZT260 SE, MG ZT190+, MG ZTT 160, R75 Conn SE 2.0, R75 Conn SE 2.5 X 3, R75 Club SE 1.8, P5B Coupe Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Keynsham, Bristol Posts: 4,211 Thanks: 65 Thanked 635 Times in 499 Posts	Here we go again. There are always going to be differing opinions about this subject but the general feeling for the R75/ZT Diesel is: There have been reports of snapped crankshafts after fitting a solid flywheel. People who have fitted the kit are not happy & wished they had stuck to the DMF. So, if I were you, I would definitely stay with the DMF. In response to Kaiser's post: Yes, a solid flywheel can & almost certainly will create a more aggressive 'bite' on the clutch which could give the impression of a vibration so I agree with Roverite. I don't think the discussion will stop there though will it ?!!

17th December 2014, 10:36	#10
Gazmo65 Loves to post Volvo S80 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Burton Latimer Posts: 268 Thanks: 11 Thanked 39 Times in 20 Posts	I was talking to the garage the looked after my car before I bought it from the previous owner a few years ago and it turns out that my car had 3 clutches by 48000 miles but no DMF, I bought it with 52000 on the clock and it has clocked over 102000 now and needs a new clutch, the previous driver was mainly a woman(I am waiting for some abuse now) she couldnt get on with a manual car and now drives an automatic