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Old 23rd December 2016, 11:37   #1
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Default ZT 190 Clutch & timing belts. Engine out?

I have a ZT 190 which has done, what appears to be, a genuine 55K.

It has no history of having the timing belts changed, so I am going to have a go at replacing them.

I've read various threads on this subject and am aware it can be a pain. However my thought process is, should I take the engine out to make the job a lot easier, this would also allow me to change the clutch and give better access to tidy up the engine bay.

Has anyone else tackled it this way? I'm not a stranger to getting my hands oily.
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Old 23rd December 2016, 13:02   #2
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... should I take the engine out to make the job a lot easier ...
I'm not sure that it would make the job easier Dave.

What I would recommend is that you obtain the special service tools for this job. You will also need the pair of camshaft front tools specific to the 190 engine which aren't included in most kits. You will read of people using spanners and sockets to reset the timing once the camshafts have moved (which they do on this engine). You will also read of snapped camshafts and broken ends.

I'll be doing mine in the new year too.

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Old 23rd December 2016, 14:15   #3
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I have a ZT 190 which has done, what appears to be, a genuine 55K.



It has no history of having the timing belts changed, so I am going to have a go at replacing them.



I've read various threads on this subject and am aware it can be a pain. However my thought process is, should I take the engine out to make the job a lot easier, this would also allow me to change the clutch and give better access to tidy up the engine bay.



Has anyone else tackled it this way? I'm not a stranger to getting my hands oily.


Was thinking about this myself. Was thinking about dropping whole subframe out. I suppose it all depends on space you have in your man cave.
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Old 23rd December 2016, 14:57   #4
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I'm not sure that it would make the job easier Dave.

What I would recommend is that you obtain the special service tools for this job. You will also need the pair of camshaft front tools specific to the 190 engine which aren't included in most kits. You will read of people using spanners and sockets to reset the timing once the camshafts have moved (which they do on this engine). You will also read of snapped camshafts and broken ends.

I'll be doing mine in the new year too.

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Old 24th December 2016, 12:17   #5
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The biggest issue and time consumer with doing the belts is access ; You have to remove so much stuff to get the access you need that you are not far off removing the engine
Whilst I have not done it with the engine out myself , bearing in mind that you also want to do the clutch , and clean the engine bay as well, then if you have the time and the inclination why not go for it
With the engine out , you will fly through the belt replacement and have confidence in having done a proper job . I have watched the video on youtube where they do it with the engine on a stand and thought "if only ...."
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You have to remove so much stuff to get the access you need ...
Isn't it the case Chris that, even with the engine out, you'd still have to remove the same parts as you would with the engine in place plus extra work required for engine removal?

Just asking, I'm waiting to be proved wrong!

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If I can get the car in my garage then it's going to be engine out. (currently got another car in there at the moment)

I'll follow this thread with a blow by blow account ( maybe a video too)

I must say the more I think about it the more I fancy engine out.

I also have to change the Water Pump on my Elan and thats an engine out job........great fun ahead..
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Old 24th December 2016, 16:19   #8
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My garage is a 1 1/2 width garage. I wish it was a 1 1/2 length garage instead. Come to think of it a 1 1/2 height would come in handy too.
Best of luck with the belt change. It's another of those things that put me off a V6.

The missus says that I shouldn't buy a car that I can work on any more! She's probably right!
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Old 24th December 2016, 16:22   #9
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It makes sense to pull the whole thing out, especially as you want to tidy everything up, plus it saves the bending into the engine bay to change the belts.
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Isn't it the case Chris that, even with the engine out, you'd still have to remove the same parts as you would with the engine in place plus extra work required for engine removal?

Just asking, I'm waiting to be proved wrong!

Simon
Yes , you're quite right ,Simon . I'm just commenting that since he also wants to do the clutch and engine bay , it seems like a good idea
And.... there's a certain joy to working on an engine when it is out as opposed to tearing one's knuckles to shreds in limited access ; or is that just me ?
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