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Old 29th September 2021, 19:45   #11
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There are some outrageous prices out there with the Ionity network charging 0.79p/kWh on their fast chargers


Edit: Ionity not Instavolt.
How does that compare with petrol and diesel per mile ??
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Old 1st October 2021, 23:24   #12
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How does that compare with petrol and diesel per mile ??

Doesn’t matter, Greta says ice cars are bad so that’s all there is to it.
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Old 2nd October 2021, 09:59   #13
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How does that compare with petrol and diesel per mile ??



At 69p/kWh the cost/mile would be cheaper using a diesel car than an EV.
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Old 2nd October 2021, 11:53   #14
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Fear ye not, for there is a glimmer of hope for those that not only fell for the motor industry and its hyperbole but more importantly those that want to heat their homes by electric to throw off the Russian gas yoke.

There are contra-flow murmurs becoming audible that the current bad attitude to Nuclear is being revised p.d.q. Roll on the day. Juice from a nuclear power station is a fraction of the cost and it is very clean. And it is onshore and beyond being used as a stick with which to beat.
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. . . and it is very clean.

. . . except possibly for the waste.
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Old 2nd October 2021, 21:51   #16
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At 69p/kWh the cost/mile would be cheaper using a diesel car than an EV.
By quite a long way!!! If a new 40kw Nissan Leaf has a range of 160 miles, and consider it takes 60kw to fully charge it (the charging process will have losses), 60kw would cost £41.40. Even my banger will easily manage 300 miles to that. If your charging at home it’s only £10, so even the most efficient diesel will be lucky to get 120 miles. Not as far off as we are lead to believe though. And where’s the electricity coming from? Still a lot of gas fired stations around the country (thankfully!)
Think I’ll keep my traditional ice car for now. At least if I’ve got a journey of more than 300 miles I know my car will easily do this trip without having to stop for a couple of hours to charge…
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............Juice from a nuclear power station is a fraction of the cost and it is very clean. And it is onshore and beyond being used as a stick with which to beat.

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. . . except possibly for the waste.

...............and the cost of decommisioning as well as long-term storage of waste
.............. stick or not - does it not depend on who owns the power station?
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...............and the cost of decommisioning as well as long-term storage of waste
.............. stick or not - does it not depend on who owns the power station?
The waste issue might be negated by finding other uses for it through research grants at Uni's.

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Well it’s all a bit late in the day if you ask me all the materials for the new cars are still sourced processed transported painted the list is all
most Endless .
We carnt stop like we did in covid yet that probably is the answer
This electric thing it’s just another gravy train , indeed where Has the 950 million come from it’s all to pay back in one way or another road tax for all when they wake up lol
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By quite a long way!!! If a new 40kw Nissan Leaf has a range of 160 miles, and consider it takes 60kw to fully charge it (the charging process will have losses), 60kw would cost £41.40. Even my banger will easily manage 300 miles to that. If your charging at home it’s only £10, so even the most efficient diesel will be lucky to get 120 miles. Not as far off as we are lead to believe though. And where’s the electricity coming from? Still a lot of gas fired stations around the country (thankfully!)
Think I’ll keep my traditional ice car for now. At least if I’ve got a journey of more than 300 miles I know my car will easily do this trip without having to stop for a couple of hours to charge…
There are charging losses but you're never going to be able to stuff 60kw into a 40kw Nissan leaf, probably around 46kw would be more like it.

The problem is that we keep thinking about EV's in the same way as ICE cars which they're not. If I take my regular 260 miles journey to see my Dad in the west country when I set off I have a full battery charged from home at 5p per unit so around about £2.50. En-route I will need to take another 90 miles worth of power and typically pay around 35p per unit which is going to cost me around a tenner, so a total of £12.50

Compare that to a diesel car averaging 40mpg and paying £1.50 a litre which will cost around £44 for the same trip!

I do accept that if you take into account a fictitious 33% loss during charging, set off with a flat battery and only charge at the most expensive chargers you would get close to diesel costs however in the real world EV's are much cheaper to run. We've so far done 17,000 miles in our EV, mostly charged from home @ 5p/unit which means a really significant saving. My wife commutes 60 miles a day and we've gone from spending over £10 a day on fuel to less then £1 in electric which is a saving of £2340 a year
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