Rover 75 - Sunroof Problems

John3:16 · 3rd September 2017, 17:38

My friends have messaged me to say

" our car nearly set on fire yesterday had smoke coming out as our sunroof glass section jammed mid way open with the cover so now we have half a window open we looked into the book with the car but it said it might rewind by hand using a Alan key but it's stuck too apparently it's a motor and roller issue but we have tried everything it says on eBay you can buy a kit to replace the roller pins that work it but we are not sure if the motor went to as it was burning in the light section on the top of the dashboard ... "

I've looked on the How To page and can't find any guide on how to start looking at the motor ... obviously I'm going to check the switch and fuse 23 ( 20amp) first to see if they are burnt out and then work to see if it's the motor which I know will need the roof interior to be removed etc.

Any tips anyone?

Neill

stevenkeyte · 3rd September 2017, 18:57

Hi Neill,
It sounds as though the sunshade panel clips have collapsed and this has lead to the glazed portion of the sunroof jamming, the broken clips on the sunshade are a known problem and an easy fix, there is a video on youtube, which shows exactly how to repair the broken clips and how to manually operate the sunroof drive motor - the instructions are for a BMW E46 unit, which is basically what is fitted to the Rover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XlTqpxUJgs

The clips are available from ebay, but be aware that two types were fitted, one lot had the mounting holes at 17mm cross centres and the other at 21mm cross centres, you need to check the actual sunshade for the cross centres of the mounting clip screws and order the appropriate clips - this is one of the many repair kits available for the sunshade -
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E46-su...kAAOSwssRZX5om
I believe the motor can be removed through the interior light aperture, once the light unit has been removed,

Steve

Jim Jamieson · 3rd September 2017, 19:30

Many thanks for that link, it's come just at the right time as tommorow weather permitting I'm going to be looking at the sunroof on my latest project car.

stevenkeyte · 3rd September 2017, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Jim Jamieson

Many thanks for that link, it's come just at the right time as tommorow weather permitting I'm going to be looking at the sunroof on my latest project car.

Glad it was useful Jim. I used it when repairing the sunshade on mine and found it a really easy job

Steve

John3:16 · 3rd September 2017, 19:51

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Originally Posted by stevenkeyte

Hi Neill,
It sounds as though the sunshade panel clips have collapsed and this has lead to the glazed portion of the sunroof jamming, the broken clips on the sunshade are a known problem and an easy fix, there is a video on youtube, which shows exactly how to repair the broken clips and how to manually operate the sunroof drive motor - the instructions are for a BMW E46 unit, which is basically what is fitted to the Rover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XlTqpxUJgs

The clips are available from ebay, but be aware that two types were fitted, one lot had the mounting holes at 17mm cross centres and the other at 21mm cross centres, you need to check the actual sunshade for the cross centres of the mounting clip screws and order the appropriate clips - this is one of the many repair kits available for the sunshade -
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E46-su...kAAOSwssRZX5om
I believe the motor can be removed through the interior light aperture, once the light unit has been removed,

Steve

Many thanks for the links Steve ... wish the fuse box was as easy to get to in the 75 !!!

Neill

madeupname · 3rd September 2017, 19:53

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Originally Posted by John3:16

Many thanks for the links Steve ... wish the fuse box was as easy to get to in the 75 !!!

Neill

These things are sent to try us

John3:16 · 4th September 2017, 08:22

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Originally Posted by madeupname

These things are sent to try us

Last time I needed to be in the fuse box I managed to pull a muscle when I tried to get up after hunting for the troublesome fuse. Grrr !!!

John3:16 · 4th September 2017, 11:28

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Originally Posted by stevenkeyte

Hi Neill,
It sounds as though the sunshade panel clips have collapsed and this has lead to the glazed portion of the sunroof jamming, the broken clips on the sunshade are a known problem and an easy fix, there is a video on youtube, which shows exactly how to repair the broken clips and how to manually operate the sunroof drive motor - the instructions are for a BMW E46 unit, which is basically what is fitted to the Rover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XlTqpxUJgs

The clips are available from ebay, but be aware that two types were fitted, one lot had the mounting holes at 17mm cross centres and the other at 21mm cross centres, you need to check the actual sunshade for the cross centres of the mounting clip screws and order the appropriate clips - this is one of the many repair kits available for the sunshade -
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E46-su...kAAOSwssRZX5om
I believe the motor can be removed through the interior light aperture, once the light unit has been removed,

Steve

Many thanks again for the links ... I watched the YouTube clip again this morning and then set off to my friends house in the pouring rain ... is it autumn already ??? ... after trying to wind the sunroof backwards and forwards a few times with an allen key it became free and I managed to close the sunroof. The inner cloth backed part of the sunroof was to blame ... yes the clips had snapped off and were chewed up in the mechanism of the sunroof.

I've checked fuse 23 and the 20 amp fuse is fine so there's nothing wrong there but there's no response from the switch. No clicking or attempting to move the sunroof so the fault is either going to be the switch or motor. I'm waiting on the local breaker to come back to say if they have a switch and motor. They usually let me drive down and then fit the switch and see if it works and if not then the motor is more than likely the cause of the problem and as my friend said smoke was pouring out of the inner light which tends to suggest a burnt out motor. (Strange I would haver thought that there would have been a pressure switch to ensure that hands, heads, whatever aren't trapped by a closing sunroof so how a few bits of stray runners have clogged the works beats me).

I'm fine with fitting new clips for this cloth part but the question now is ... does anyone know if you can just replace the motor or is the motor and mechanism all one piece. The YouTube clip seems to suggest that the full headliner of the car needs to come down to access the complete motor and mechanism.

Neill

Jim Jamieson · 4th September 2017, 12:01

I've just been working on my sunroof this morning. 30 seconds later I'm not kidding it started to rain.
Well ok I've got the entire trim removed so plodded on, removed the glass and boy was it dirty so I gave it a good clean up before placing it back into the frame to keep the rain off.
Before that I removed the blind and one of the clips is broken but I've got all the broken bits.
Strange thing was the motor didn't seem to want to work then suddenly it motored all the way back bearing in mind the 6 screws were not in place.
I was a bit shocked but it did motor all the way back so at least it's closed.
I tried to manually operate the motor but I was afraid of breaking something as the torx screw wouldn't budge.

John3:16 · 4th September 2017, 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Jamieson

I've just been working on my sunroof this morning. 30 seconds later I'm not kidding it started to rain.
Well ok I've got the entire trim removed so plodded on, removed the glass and boy was it dirty so I gave it a good clean up before placing it back into the frame to keep the rain off.
Before that I removed the blind and one of the clips is broken but I've got all the broken bits.
Strange thing was the motor didn't seem to want to work then suddenly it motored all the way back bearing in mind the 6 screws were not in place.
I was a bit shocked but it did motor all the way back so at least it's closed.
I tried to manually operate the motor but I was afraid of breaking something as the torx screw wouldn't budge.

When I got to my friends house this morning he had a huge blue ground sheet tied to the 4 wheels and covering the roof as it was half open/closed ... I suppose if I was a real friend I should have gone around last night to help close it but I didn't want to get wet

3rd September 2017, 17:38	#1
John3:16 Avid contributor 2.0 V6 Connoisseur Auto Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Cottingham Posts: 186 Thanks: 61 Thanked 25 Times in 18 Posts	Rover 75 - Sunroof Problems My friends have messaged me to say " our car nearly set on fire yesterday had smoke coming out as our sunroof glass section jammed mid way open with the cover so now we have half a window open we looked into the book with the car but it said it might rewind by hand using a Alan key but it's stuck too apparently it's a motor and roller issue but we have tried everything it says on eBay you can buy a kit to replace the roller pins that work it but we are not sure if the motor went to as it was burning in the light section on the top of the dashboard ... " I've looked on the How To page and can't find any guide on how to start looking at the motor ... obviously I'm going to check the switch and fuse 23 ( 20amp) first to see if they are burnt out and then work to see if it's the motor which I know will need the roof interior to be removed etc. Any tips anyone? Neill __________________ "Seek to do unselfish things ..." Neill (1962 - I'm still hanging on in there) 2.0 Petrol V6 75 Connoisseur Auto "Ginnie" ...finally stopped that darn thermostat from leaking !!

3rd September 2017, 18:57	#2
stevenkeyte Loves to post Rover 75 2.5 auto saloon Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ramsbottom Posts: 439 Thanks: 111 Thanked 105 Times in 79 Posts	Hi Neill, It sounds as though the sunshade panel clips have collapsed and this has lead to the glazed portion of the sunroof jamming, the broken clips on the sunshade are a known problem and an easy fix, there is a video on youtube, which shows exactly how to repair the broken clips and how to manually operate the sunroof drive motor - the instructions are for a BMW E46 unit, which is basically what is fitted to the Rover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XlTqpxUJgs The clips are available from ebay, but be aware that two types were fitted, one lot had the mounting holes at 17mm cross centres and the other at 21mm cross centres, you need to check the actual sunshade for the cross centres of the mounting clip screws and order the appropriate clips - this is one of the many repair kits available for the sunshade - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E46-su...kAAOSwssRZX5om I believe the motor can be removed through the interior light aperture, once the light unit has been removed, Steve __________________ Born 22nd February 2005, 221st of 239 Starlight Silver 75 Contemporary SE 2.5 V6 automatic saloons built Last edited by stevenkeyte; 3rd September 2017 at 18:59.. Reason: link to ebay repair kit added

3rd September 2017, 19:30	#3
Jim Jamieson This is my second home Rover less ! Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Tarbolton Posts: 3,442 Thanks: 393 Thanked 888 Times in 542 Posts	Many thanks for that link, it's come just at the right time as tommorow weather permitting I'm going to be looking at the sunroof on my latest project car.

4th September 2017, 12:01	#9
Jim Jamieson This is my second home Rover less ! Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Tarbolton Posts: 3,442 Thanks: 393 Thanked 888 Times in 542 Posts	I've just been working on my sunroof this morning. 30 seconds later I'm not kidding it started to rain. Well ok I've got the entire trim removed so plodded on, removed the glass and boy was it dirty so I gave it a good clean up before placing it back into the frame to keep the rain off. Before that I removed the blind and one of the clips is broken but I've got all the broken bits. Strange thing was the motor didn't seem to want to work then suddenly it motored all the way back bearing in mind the 6 screws were not in place. I was a bit shocked but it did motor all the way back so at least it's closed. I tried to manually operate the motor but I was afraid of breaking something as the torx screw wouldn't budge.