Speaker installation 50 miles to brighton

maxxpump · 4th January 2015, 13:25

Hello all,

I have attempted to get my head around installing a new pair of components speakers onto my connie (R75) and don't think I have the the tools, materials or the experience to deal with it.

Is there anyone within a 50 mile radius area of brighton that can fit some speakers (integrated within the door)?

I probably need better wiring to be installed with it from the head unit to the crossover and speaker/tweeters I have selected.

Can drive X miles to get there or if they are mobile great, I can pay for fuel for you to get here. I am game when I get cash for it within three weeks.

I tried Huets in hove that quoted me £200 just for having them cut into the door cards using the original wiring (even I can do that and I don't think it is worth that in the slightest!)

Thanks if anyone can deal with this predicament, stu

maxxpump · 4th January 2015, 19:28

So now apart from my contact with Cool cat and my arrangements with him, Don't reply to any of these posts or reply any more to these threads as I've just had enough of the elitist smugness of people that think they know everything and point their fingers and laugh instead of offering help and advice!

PM's are for constructive comments not being nasty so the mods don't see it, I was genuinely trying to ask for help and I just got the complete opposite!

coab · 4th January 2015, 20:13

Er max............ are you looking to replace speakers behind the door cards or are you after cut and shut fitments?
Let me know.

maxxpump · 4th January 2015, 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by coab

Er max............ are you looking to replace speakers behind the door cards or are you after cut and shut fitments?
Let me know.

I would have liked to have integrated them behind the door card, but if I did just fit them into the door card itself would I have to use some extra fibreglass to strengthen the immediate area to stop it vibrating so much? I was thinking of removing the grill section and replacing that with a flat bit of board/fibreglass so it creates a indented ledge to mount the speakers into, it will also give me space to install a secondary smaller mid/high speaker in the top section while still having the low/mid in the bottom of it, I then could possibly fabricate a grill to go over the top to make it look slightly original. Im not 100% sure what i'm going to do yet, I will draw up some designs and give you a PM.

What would be the easiest way and what is the best way to do it for better sound quality?

The speakers I have got are these:

http://www.fliaudio.co.uk/portfolio/...grator-comp-6/

maxxpump · 4th January 2015, 20:32

Question: what is cut and shut?

coab · 5th January 2015, 06:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxxpump

Question: what is cut and shut?

Cut and shut as in replacing the original speaker mesh on the door card. I upgraded my speakers on my last car and used the plastic holder that held the speakers to the door skin. The speakers are only screwed to the plate so can be modified without too much hassle to fit your own.

coolcat · 4th January 2015, 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxxpump

I would have liked to have integrated them behind the door card, but if I did just fit them into the door card itself would I have to use some extra fibreglass to strengthen the immediate area to stop it vibrating so much? I was thinking of removing the grill section and replacing that with a flat bit of board/fibreglass so it creates a indented ledge to mount the speakers into, it will also give me space to install a secondary smaller mid/high speaker in the top section while still having the low/mid in the bottom of it, I then could possibly fabricate a grill to go over the top to make it look slightly original. Im not 100% sure what i'm going to do yet, I will draw up some designs and give you a PM.

What would be the easiest way and what is the best way to do it for better sound quality?

The speakers I have got are these:

http://www.fliaudio.co.uk/portfolio/...grator-comp-6/

They will fit in behind the original door facia into the plastic speaker pod which is screwed to the door (not the card) so long as they are 165-170mm in size

I'll chat via email further tomorrow Sir.

maxxpump · 6th January 2015, 14:53

Hello all,

I did a test today of the speakers that I brought in the mounts that came with the car OEM.

No bass, they work and sound good for spoken word, but just no bottom end and no bass! I imagine the fact that my head units amp can only push 50W RMS and these speakers will only push 40W min (that I don't think is enough!) and they recommend 85w RMS!

I am going to buy a "EDGE" Amp on thursday, which can do 4 channels of 100 watts RMS and I will get cabling next tuesday to rig that up, so hopefully it will work then, if anybody thinks I should just take the speakers back to halfords and get my money back towards getting a sub unit, please message here to let me know as this is just trial and error at the moment and I don't want to blow the klit I have got and waste money if I am buying the wrong kit!

Thank you very much for your continuing support!

coolcat · 6th January 2015, 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxxpump

Hello all,

I did a test today of the speakers that I brought in the mounts that came with the car OEM.

No bass, they work and sound good for spoken word, but just no bottom end and no bass! I imagine the fact that my head units amp can only push 50W RMS and these speakers will only push 40W min (that I don't think is enough!) and they recommend 85w RMS!

I am going to buy a "EDGE" Amp on thursday, which can do 4 channels of 100 watts RMS and I will get cabling next tuesday to rig that up, so hopefully it will work then, if anybody thinks I should just take the speakers back to halfords and get my money back towards getting a sub unit, please message here to let me know as this is just trial and error at the moment and I don't want to blow the klit I have got and waste money if I am buying the wrong kit!

Thank you very much for your continuing support!

Make sure you haven't wired the speakers 'out of phase' as that will greatly reduce the bass, do remember that components are designed to be used with a subwoofer and depending on the crossover point may not reproduce much in the way of low end grunt.

Also worth noting that doubling the outout figure to the speakers will not double the volume so although beneficial I don't think it will make night and day differences.

How good those speakers are that you have bought I can't say as I have never heard them, might be worth checking for reviews of them to check they are not bad speakers

maxxpump · 7th January 2015, 10:06

Did a test with the other set of fli's earlier on my denon amp and......it sounded wicked, so underpowering is the obvious problem I am having! I did some subsequent research and found that my head units power rating is a maximum of 50w! (not rms as I though, or as it says on the box....).

The speakers I bought are 40w rms min 85 rms (recommended), so no wonder I was getting hardly any bass or power out of it for that matter! So I have decided to keep the speakers and will get a amplifier. I have seen a "Edge" 4/3/2 amp that is 100w rms per channel, I know these speakers I have got are 85w rms, would this be the correct amp to get (I want to get it as its on sale for £50! (they usually sell this amp for around £110).

I know this amp is a tiny bit more than the recommended rms power rating of the speaker, but I guess as long as I don't blast it, it shouldn't kill the speaker!

4th January 2015, 13:25	#1
maxxpump Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDT Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brighton Posts: 1,786 Thanks: 215 Thanked 244 Times in 205 Posts	Speaker installation 50 miles to brighton Hello all, I have attempted to get my head around installing a new pair of components speakers onto my connie (R75) and don't think I have the the tools, materials or the experience to deal with it. Is there anyone within a 50 mile radius area of brighton that can fit some speakers (integrated within the door)? I probably need better wiring to be installed with it from the head unit to the crossover and speaker/tweeters I have selected. Can drive X miles to get there or if they are mobile great, I can pay for fuel for you to get here. I am game when I get cash for it within three weeks. I tried Huets in hove that quoted me £200 just for having them cut into the door cards using the original wiring (even I can do that and I don't think it is worth that in the slightest!) Thanks if anyone can deal with this predicament, stu __________________ Mods done: 160 upgrade, EGR bypass, Viton "O" rings, Fitted 16" unions, cleaned manifold, uprated air filter, fog lights, better bulbs, upgraded ICE and full speaker set up.

4th January 2015, 19:28	#2
maxxpump Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDT Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brighton Posts: 1,786 Thanks: 215 Thanked 244 Times in 205 Posts	Thanks for all the amazing help! So now apart from my contact with Cool cat and my arrangements with him, Don't reply to any of these posts or reply any more to these threads as I've just had enough of the elitist smugness of people that think they know everything and point their fingers and laugh instead of offering help and advice! PM's are for constructive comments not being nasty so the mods don't see it, I was genuinely trying to ask for help and I just got the complete opposite! __________________ Mods done: 160 upgrade, EGR bypass, Viton "O" rings, Fitted 16" unions, cleaned manifold, uprated air filter, fog lights, better bulbs, upgraded ICE and full speaker set up. Last edited by maxxpump; 4th January 2015 at 19:36.. Reason: I don't want to start anything as ive had enough! :(

4th January 2015, 20:32	#5
maxxpump Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDT Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brighton Posts: 1,786 Thanks: 215 Thanked 244 Times in 205 Posts	Coab, one question among the field of them.... Question: what is cut and shut? __________________ Mods done: 160 upgrade, EGR bypass, Viton "O" rings, Fitted 16" unions, cleaned manifold, uprated air filter, fog lights, better bulbs, upgraded ICE and full speaker set up.

6th January 2015, 14:53	#8
maxxpump Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDT Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brighton Posts: 1,786 Thanks: 215 Thanked 244 Times in 205 Posts	Okay I have a problem captain... Hello all, I did a test today of the speakers that I brought in the mounts that came with the car OEM. No bass, they work and sound good for spoken word, but just no bottom end and no bass! I imagine the fact that my head units amp can only push 50W RMS and these speakers will only push 40W min (that I don't think is enough!) and they recommend 85w RMS! I am going to buy a "EDGE" Amp on thursday, which can do 4 channels of 100 watts RMS and I will get cabling next tuesday to rig that up, so hopefully it will work then, if anybody thinks I should just take the speakers back to halfords and get my money back towards getting a sub unit, please message here to let me know as this is just trial and error at the moment and I don't want to blow the klit I have got and waste money if I am buying the wrong kit! Thank you very much for your continuing support! __________________ Mods done: 160 upgrade, EGR bypass, Viton "O" rings, Fitted 16" unions, cleaned manifold, uprated air filter, fog lights, better bulbs, upgraded ICE and full speaker set up.

7th January 2015, 10:06	#10
maxxpump Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDT Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brighton Posts: 1,786 Thanks: 215 Thanked 244 Times in 205 Posts	hah I have found my problem, heres another one to sort out? Did a test with the other set of fli's earlier on my denon amp and......it sounded wicked, so underpowering is the obvious problem I am having! I did some subsequent research and found that my head units power rating is a maximum of 50w! (not rms as I though, or as it says on the box....). The speakers I bought are 40w rms min 85 rms (recommended), so no wonder I was getting hardly any bass or power out of it for that matter! So I have decided to keep the speakers and will get a amplifier. I have seen a "Edge" 4/3/2 amp that is 100w rms per channel, I know these speakers I have got are 85w rms, would this be the correct amp to get (I want to get it as its on sale for £50! (they usually sell this amp for around £110). I know this amp is a tiny bit more than the recommended rms power rating of the speaker, but I guess as long as I don't blast it, it shouldn't kill the speaker! __________________ Mods done: 160 upgrade, EGR bypass, Viton "O" rings, Fitted 16" unions, cleaned manifold, uprated air filter, fog lights, better bulbs, upgraded ICE and full speaker set up.

4th January 2015, 20:13	#3
coab This is my second home 2007 57 GOLF GTi EDITION 30 DSG Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Newport Shropshire and Coventry. Posts: 5,138 Thanks: 2,424 Thanked 1,452 Times in 852 Posts	Er max............ are you looking to replace speakers behind the door cards or are you after cut and shut fitments? Let me know.