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Old 16th June 2019, 19:18   #41
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It becomes a problem for those living around you if you have three vehicles but parking space for only one. This is a widespread problem in cities leading to antisocial behaviour.

In terms of proposed solutions, I have many that address the short-term and others addressing the long-term. These range from exponentially increasing taxes for multi-car households without private parking spaces to licence to have more than one child per household.
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you made a blanket statement which I hope you can now see is inappropriate. I park both my cars and my bike on the drive or in the garage but even if i parked them on the road, your solution to limit to 1 child is too late, I have two. How does increasing tax help my children engage in sport particularly if I am on minimum wage.


With more and more households having a car per person they have greater freedom to travel. Out of town and in some areas Public transport is not yet at the stage where the car is not a viable option.


I don't know the solution but I would like to see if it is feasible, for those living and working in the same town or city to viably use public transport instead of a car. Thousands of people travel into town by public transport.


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You can only have one vehicle registered to your name.

For multiple children, you will have to 'buy' a 'child pass' from a person who will not use theirs (I will sell mine lol). If that person subsequently decides to have a child, then they will have to buy another's child pass. 'Accidents' will always happen, but these people will still have to buy a child pass, or give up for adoption for someone to use their 'child pass' when they may not have the opportunity. (I know that is a little naive, but the details could be worked out by someone who cared for I dont really lol. I actually block in those who take up two spaces, for one car outside my house - though if two cars are there, well that is just my loss)
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Old 16th June 2019, 20:08   #42
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......... and then add more cost to the collection system? Adding it onto the fuel would add nothing to the collection. The fuel way, will reduce the collection costs.

I can see the potential small increase in car ownership (as mss fears), because the payment of VED although DD has reduced that 'hardship' a little. At least (for the majority) the owners will have to pay as they use.

If it was agreed that any increase would be used to offset the VED and maybe a little extra to pay for the infrastructure. The haulage (and us) firms ultimately, if implemented correctly would actually start to benefit, as roads would be better repaired, possibly replaced, leading to less wear and tear and hopefully faster (maybe too hopeful) roads.
I agree it would make sense, I'm just saying I know and understand why governments don't bother to change it. Both me and the missus would be better off we only do about 10k between us.
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Old 16th June 2019, 20:10   #43
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on the fuel MAKES it payable based on mileage, without additional cost on the public purse for collection. As for electric cars, have their charging units separately metered, which is charged, by the electric company, in the same way fuel is charged, ie a proportion is for the electric, and the rest is the tax.
I wonder how many ways people would come up with to charge their cars off the cheap electric?
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I am of the opposite view. Taxes are dynamic mechanisms that react in response to changes in people behaviour, improvements in knowledge, natural changes etc. and also to drive change. There is no point in limiting the number of tax mechanisms as this will limit the ability to differentiate between target populations for taxing and effecting change.

By all means, put additional tax on fuels to improve funding of chosen programmes, including public transport, but in my view VED on vehicles is an absolute must as a way of containing the problems caused by multi-car ownership per household.
It hasn't worked for me, I'm currently paying over £1700 per year, and make no mistake I get my money's worth

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I wonder how many ways people would come up with to charge their cars off the cheap electric?
Probably the same ways they do at the minute for domestic and commercial electric........ In saying that, there is probably a way of creating some kind of resistor/sensor in the car, so that it communicates to the electric point. Or perhaps using a pay as you go meter for those areas where you cannot have your own charge point.

I would still suggest it would be no more than those who bilk, avoid paying ved, MOT or insurance.
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It hasn't worked for me, I'm currently paying over £1700 per year, and make no mistake I get my money's worth

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Brian - that's because my proposals have not yet become mainstream policy. When the revolution comes, people like yourself will be remortgaging the house just to pay their VED!

There are places where car ownership has been curtailed by high taxes e.g. Singapore. Yearly car tax there is roughly equivalent to the price of a medium size car here.
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Brian - that's because my proposals have not yet become mainstream policy. When the revolution comes, people like yourself will be remortgaging the house just to pay their VED!

There are places where car ownership has been curtailed by high taxes e.g. Singapore. Yearly car tax there is roughly equivalent to the price of a medium size car here.
you mean to say people other than you will own homes? I always thought we would be paying rent to you......
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My daughter ( who lives with me) hasn't even passed her test yet, but has a car, taxed and parked in the driveway. She hasn't insured it yet as she's waiting to get her full license. I drive the car occasionally under an insurance clause on my insurance that says (sic): " the insured may drive another car not belonging to them and not hired to them".


So, its taxed, and insured ( under my insurance ) but won't appear on the MID.


I did ring my insurers to check this and they said (sic), you're insured as long as you're driving it. ( So I couldn't park up on the
roadside, and dash into a shop to buy something, whilst I wasn't in it, it'd be un-insured ).

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My daughter ( who lives with me) hasn't even passed her test yet, but has a car, taxed and parked in the driveway. She hasn't insured it yet as she's waiting to get her full license. I drive the car occasionally under an insurance clause on my insurance that says (sic): " the insured may drive another car not belonging to them and not hired to them".


So, its taxed, and insured ( under my insurance ) but won't appear on the MID.
My insurance has the same I can driver another car but the other car is required to have it's own insurance so you may find your breaking the law in doing that. Also as the car has no valid insurance it should be declared SORN.
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My daughter ( who lives with me) hasn't even passed her test yet, but has a car, taxed and parked in the driveway. She hasn't insured it yet as she's waiting to get her full license. I drive the car occasionally under an insurance clause on my insurance that says (sic): " the insured may drive another car not belonging to them and not hired to them".


So, its taxed, and insured ( under my insurance ) but won't appear on the MID.


I did ring my insurers to check this and they said (sic), you're insured as long as you're driving it. ( So I couldn't park up on the
roadside, and dash into a shop to buy something, whilst I wasn't in it, it'd be un-insured ).
That's interesting ,as my insurers state that the clause allowing me to drive another vehicle 3rd party only is only applicable if the other vehicle is already insured in its own right and that came up on one of the Police documentaries on the TV when a chap was stopped relying on that clause.
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