How many volts to kill a mouse? - Page 3

Borg Warner · 24th March 2022, 07:39

Volts jolt, mills kills.

As the saying goes.

COLVERT · 25th March 2022, 21:39

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Originally Posted by another_clean_sheet

That is because the current through the body is so low because of the resistance of the body unlike when you are starting the car as it is almost a short circuit and there are 100s of amps of current.
It is Ohms Law. I = V/R

I didn't mention that as I though it was well known.--

another_clean_sheet · 26th March 2022, 08:21

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Originally Posted by COLVERT

I didn't mention that as I though it was well known.--

Do not assume - the standard of education in schools especially in science subjects is not what it was.
It is a current of around 100mA which can kill you. Can be lower if the path goes through the heart which is a low resistance organ.
As I said before it is current that kills not voltage. If you are well insulated many hundreds of volts is not a problem. As Borg Wagner said in #21 - volts jolt, mills kills

Borg Warner · 26th March 2022, 09:15

1-5mA. Perception level but there is no danger to life.

5-15mA. Pain is experienced along with muscular contraction that can push the person off, above 15mA muscles contract and it becomes impossible to let go.

20-50mA. The recipient cannot let go and experiences extreme pain and becomes unconscious.

50-75mA. The recipient becomes paralysed the heart stops beating and they stop breathing.

Greater 100mA. Ventricular fibrillation and death. The heart's electrical system and pumping cycle are completely disorganized at this point. Little or no blood is pumped to the body and the body is quickly starved of oxygen and a heart attack occurs. The symptoms are immediate: first you lose your pulse, then consciousness, then the ability to breathe.

MissMoppet · 26th March 2022, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Borg Warner

1-5mA. Perception level but there is no danger to life.

5-15mA. Pain is experienced along with muscular contraction that can push the person off, above 15mA muscles contract and it becomes impossible to let go.

20-50mA. The recipient cannot let go and experiences extreme pain and becomes unconscious.

50-75mA. The recipient becomes paralysed the heart stops beating and they stop breathing.

Greater 100mA. Ventricular fibrillation and death. The heart's electrical system and pumping cycle are completely disorganized at this point. Little or no blood is pumped to the body and the body is quickly starved of oxygen and a heart attack occurs. The symptoms are immediate: first you lose your pulse, then consciousness, then the ability to breathe.

And where might one ask, did you learn this invaluable information? Sing Sing?

COLVERT · 26th March 2022, 20:59

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Originally Posted by another_clean_sheet

Do not assume - the standard of education in schools especially in science subjects is not what it was.
It is a current of around 100mA which can kill you. Can be lower if the path goes through the heart which is a low resistance organ.
As I said before it is current that kills not voltage. If you are well insulated many hundreds of volts is not a problem. As Borg Wagner said in #21 - volts jolt, mills kills

The world is full of assumptions.-- Practically unavoidable.

Putin will never invade Ukraine.--

Most folk don't go around--Well Insulated.---

-Stick your fingers in a mains socket if you don't believe me.

As for schools it totally depends on which school you are at.--

To get that current through the heart ???

A couple of probes will probably kill with no voltage or current involved.-

Actually I was generalising, you trying to be specific.-- ( Pedantic.--

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another_clean_sheet · 27th March 2022, 07:30

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Originally Posted by COLVERT

Actually I was generalising, you trying to be specific.-- ( Pedantic.--

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Is not "the standard of education in schools especially in science subjects is not what it was" a generalisation rather than a specific?

Gate Keeper · 27th March 2022, 08:00

With the mouse problem, here in Kenya the farm cat goes on patrol hunting for mice, moles, birds and to chase and run with the dogs. During the evenings as the light fades, the snakes come out, also hunting for lizards and mice. Sometimes a snake will hide beneath the bird table in anticipation. At night a family of Mongeese can sometimes be seen hunting for the snakes. Fortunately we don’t have a need to electrocute mice, we let nature take its course.

One particular mouse I like to see:

The striped field mouse is beautiful and fascinating to watch.

At the moment we don’t really have a problem with mice, our annoyance is with green coloured squirrels getting into our roof and making scratching noises in the ceiling above the bedroom. The other annoyance is from a wild Sykes monkey raiding our avocado trees which are almost ripe.

stevestrat · 27th March 2022, 09:44

Never had a problem getting rid of mice.

Borg Warner · 27th March 2022, 11:08

0 – 1mA No Sensation
1 – 16mA (max) Throw-off’ response
10.5mA (f) 16mA (m) Finger muscles cannot relax & release grip
20 – 30mA Restriction of breathing begins
50mA 50Hz frequency disorientate control signals to the heart
(Ventricular Fibrillation)
50-75mA Paralysis no pulse or respiration
100mA Ventricular fibrillation causing almost certain death

Pretty certain if electricity was discovered today it would most likely be banned under Health and Safety rules.

27th March 2022, 09:44	#29
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24th March 2022, 07:39	#21
Borg Warner I really should get out more....... None Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2,579 Thanks: 494 Thanked 657 Times in 402 Posts	Volts jolt, mills kills. As the saying goes.

26th March 2022, 09:15	#24
Borg Warner I really should get out more....... None Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2,579 Thanks: 494 Thanked 657 Times in 402 Posts	1-5mA. Perception level but there is no danger to life. 5-15mA. Pain is experienced along with muscular contraction that can push the person off, above 15mA muscles contract and it becomes impossible to let go. 20-50mA. The recipient cannot let go and experiences extreme pain and becomes unconscious. 50-75mA. The recipient becomes paralysed the heart stops beating and they stop breathing. Greater 100mA. Ventricular fibrillation and death. The heart's electrical system and pumping cycle are completely disorganized at this point. Little or no blood is pumped to the body and the body is quickly starved of oxygen and a heart attack occurs. The symptoms are immediate: first you lose your pulse, then consciousness, then the ability to breathe.

27th March 2022, 08:00	#28
Gate Keeper This is my second home 4X4 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nairobi Posts: 20,053 Thanks: 8,286 Thanked 7,017 Times in 4,160 Posts	With the mouse problem, here in Kenya the farm cat goes on patrol hunting for mice, moles, birds and to chase and run with the dogs. During the evenings as the light fades, the snakes come out, also hunting for lizards and mice. Sometimes a snake will hide beneath the bird table in anticipation. At night a family of Mongeese can sometimes be seen hunting for the snakes. Fortunately we don’t have a need to electrocute mice, we let nature take its course. One particular mouse I like to see: The striped field mouse is beautiful and fascinating to watch. At the moment we don’t really have a problem with mice, our annoyance is with green coloured squirrels getting into our roof and making scratching noises in the ceiling above the bedroom. The other annoyance is from a wild Sykes monkey raiding our avocado trees which are almost ripe.

27th March 2022, 11:08	#30
Borg Warner I really should get out more....... None Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2,579 Thanks: 494 Thanked 657 Times in 402 Posts	0 – 1mA No Sensation 1 – 16mA (max) Throw-off’ response 10.5mA (f) 16mA (m) Finger muscles cannot relax & release grip 20 – 30mA Restriction of breathing begins 50mA 50Hz frequency disorientate control signals to the heart (Ventricular Fibrillation) 50-75mA Paralysis no pulse or respiration 100mA Ventricular fibrillation causing almost certain death Pretty certain if electricity was discovered today it would most likely be banned under Health and Safety rules.