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Old 7th October 2020, 21:04   #1
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Default What grease for slider pins

Just wondering as I have a sticky calliper and just hoping it’s the pins that have dried out, I have a tin of red grease and copper grease sitting or do I need something else .
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Old 7th October 2020, 21:25   #2
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I've always used the red rubber grease for slider pins, not had any issues yet and you know it won't degrade any rubber boots it may come into contact with.

Copper grease is no good I've been told, loses its greasing properties over time and I think ceramic grease is better for backs of brake pads.

Someone more knowledgeable may be able to suggest something better though.
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I've always used the red rubber grease for slider pins, not had any issues yet and you know it won't degrade any rubber boots it may come into contact with.

Copper grease is no good I've been told, loses its greasing properties over time and I think ceramic grease is better for backs of brake pads.

Someone more knowledgeable may be able to suggest something better though.
I agree, Red Rubber Grease.

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Here's a thread I contributed to while ago because I didn't really know either .

https://the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/s...d.php?t=275412

RAVE isn't very helpful.

Page 70-20, Point 9 says "Lubricate Guide Pins with suitable anti seize grease." Great, except in "Lubricants" it doesn't list anything for the Guide Pins, only general purpose grease .

Maybe there's a Technical Bulletin or similar that I don't know about .

In the meantime I'm going with the guru's on here

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... I have a tin of red grease and copper grease sitting or do I need something else .
Funnily enough I overhauled one of my rear calipers only yesterday. As the guide pins are nowhere near any friction surfaces or brake fluid you can use just about any lubricant you like.

I find red grease very gelatinous and copper grease's high temperature tolerance unnecessary so this time I used silicone grease from an aerosol.

Whilst you're there Robert, using a wire brush remove any corrosion or loose material from the ears on the pads which slide along channels on the caliper carrier then grease these parts. This is at least as important as the guide pins.

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Many thanks to for the replies I thought if red grease was good enough for other brake parts it was good enough just for slider pins I should have said it’s for my 800 and I think I used a blue grease on my ZTT last time but must have finished it
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Decades ago, most people would use 'ordinary' lithium grease for their brake bits. Then came a preference for 'copper' grease, mainly because it looked amazing and the marketing ads said it did everything the others can't. But later on, somebody somewhere said their rubber bits had swelled after using Coppaslip, so would never use that again. 'Rubber' Grease is what they recommended. It's red in colour so must be something different. But if that's designed for lubricating rubber, how well does it perform on steel-to-steel? 'Moly' Grease, that's the best for both. But that's black as sin so you never really know whether it's in good or bad condition. So, something nice and pale with a new 'technology' should be a lot better. Along comes 'Ceramic' Grease, surely the best of all?

MGR said use a 'suitable antiseize grease' to give you a free hand from myriad 'Brake Greases' you find out there. Like the 'best' tyres or the 'best' engine oil, beauty is in the eye ofthe beholder.

Brake Grease: https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=brake+g...f=nb_sb_noss_1
EDIT: The 'Bentone' one sounds interesting. Bentone is a clay, so how does that work?



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Brake grease -




Needed saying.
Sliders only need a thin smear of general purpose grease. Shouldn't be any grease anywhere else in a caliper.
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Decades ago, most people would use 'ordinary' lithium grease for their brake bits. Then came a preference for 'copper' grease, mainly because it looked amazing and the marketing ads said it did everything the others can't. But later on, somebody somewhere said their rubber bits had swelled after using Coppaslip, so would never use that again. 'Rubber' Grease is what they recommended. It's red in colour so must be something different. But if that's designed for lubricating rubber, how well does it perform on steel-to-steel? 'Moly' Grease, that's the best for both. But that's black as sin so you never really know whether it's in good or bad condition. So, something nice and pale with a new 'technology' should be a lot better. Along comes 'Ceramic' Grease, surely the best of all?

MGR said use a 'suitable antiseize grease' to give you a free hand from myriad 'Brake Greases' you find out there. Like the 'best' tyres or the 'best' engine oil, beauty is in the eye ofthe beholder.

Brake Grease: https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=brake+g...f=nb_sb_noss_1
EDIT: The 'Bentone' one sounds interesting. Bentone is a clay, so how does that work?



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I used ceramic grease for my sliders the last time, but had to remove a caliper after two years to replace the hold down pins. I thought felt firm, almost dried out, although it still moved freely, it didn't feel as good (grease like) as I remember the red grease.

I didn't have time to do all corners, so left as it, but cleaning and using red grease is on my to do list.

I wouldn't use silicone grease, as anytime I have used it (in non car applications I must add) it didn't feel very resilient, wiping off a metallic surface quite easily, leaving a watery residue which rinsed away. To me with heat, I felt it could possibly become fluid therefore leak out. The silicone grease I did use was more gel like however, for maintenance of a diving mask.

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