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Old 15th October 2020, 16:46   #41
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Simon, I really find it amazing that you continue to equivocate over this.
Good afternoon Avulon,

In my posts I always try my utmost to be as clear as I possibly can so I'm sorry to hear that I've failed.
Fortunately John has summarised perfectly what I tried to say:
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Simon is trying to emphasise that the 'official' servicing information ... only addressed replacing belts ... 'We' now know from +10 further years empirical experience that the OEM should have recommended a 'drive belt system' replacement schedule because other components/assemblies within that system were suspect/inadequate ....

Very well put John, thank you.

Returning to Avulon, you made some specific points in your reply and I feel that I owe you a better explanation soI'll now try.
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But to say that the belt didn't fail, something else did isn't really any help.
I believe it is helpful because it encourages people to look deeper. Belt failures are extremely rare so when they do occur the opportunity to learn from the experience should not be wasted. We have indeed done that!
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If the belt had been changed anytime before this catastrophe by a competent mechanic then the other parts would have also been changed.
I agree but sadly life is imperfect and not all mechanics are competent as we know from the tales of woe we hear from club members. But what you say here Avulon is exactly what I'm recommending; that the belts and pulleys are renewed before 90,000 miles has been reached.
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I think what you really want is for the service manual to say - change the pulleys at 6 years/60k - (and while you're the there change the belts anyway).
Almost exactly that yes; every 60 or 70,000 miles but irrespective of years elapsed. This is a much more realistic service interval than every 6 years which is so often a waste of money.
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Well it's not getting re-written now is it?
That's where I'm hoping that threads of this kind will be very helpful by making KV6 owners aware of a better more cost-effective maintenance schedule.

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Old 15th October 2020, 18:20   #42
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So to clarify, are we saying the KV6 belts are good for the quoted MGR figure of 90,000 miles (and from experience possibly more), but it's the idler, tensioner or waterpump that may give up first and as such should not exceed the quoted 90k figure ? And that the time period (6 years) has shown to be somewhat irrelevant ?
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Old 15th October 2020, 18:41   #43
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So to clarify, are we saying the KV6 belts are good for the quoted MGR figure of 90,000 miles (and from experience possibly more), but it's the idler, tensioner or waterpump that may give up first and as such should not exceed the quoted 90k figure ? And that the time period (6 years) has shown to be somewhat irrelevant ?
Yes.......................... and No! Or it could be No and Yes! Then again .................................................. ..........


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How many more times is this discussion going to take place on this forum? I'm getting bored with it! Exceed the recommended change times at your own risk. ( Quality, good or poor, parts also come into the equation!)


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Old 15th October 2020, 18:50   #44
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So to clarify, are we saying the KV6 belts are good for the quoted MGR figure of 90,000 miles (and from experience possibly more), but it's the idler, tensioner or waterpump that may give up first and as such should not exceed the quoted 90k figure ? And that the time period (6 years) has shown to be somewhat irrelevant ?
Yes Paul, I and others are saying that.
On the other side of the coin there are those who prefer not to question the six years service interval.
It's a personal choice because it's all down to running costs.

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How many more times is this discussion going to take place on this forum? I'm getting bored with it! Exceed the recommended change times at your own risk. ( Quality, good or poor, parts also come into the equation!)


Please, don't get bored because the conversation is providing education for others on here.
First let's protect the reputation of the lady here - our poor maligned toothed belts. Second, if you return to an earlier post (OEM design parameters), mean average mileage 15K/annum x 6 years = 90K service intervals, viola just what the OEM 'book' says (used to say) and also = to approx. a x3 major service before you might scrap the original car after 16 or so years. Third, considering the labour costs of a garage changing the belts the additional costs of replacing the remaining mechanical parts of the 'system' outweigh any potential savings and a lot of heartache...and
Fourth, should anyone suffer a failure like our unfortunate Aussie OP, just don't simply blame the belts, 9.5 times out of 10 it's going to be the fault of something else.

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Old 16th October 2020, 10:28   #46
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Each to their own. You can either replace the belts and associated parts at the recommended service intervals for peace of mind, or you can roll the dice.
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So for a Newbie with little technical knowledge looking at buy a 75 / ZT you should ask the question on a potential purchase ...

"Do you know when the belts were last changed mate ?"

If the response is "they were done x months/years ago @ x'000 miles" then the next question is "were the tensioner, idler, water pump etc done as well ?"

If the asnwer is "yes mate, & here's a copy of the receipt from "Joe Blogs" garage to prove it " ... jobs a good un, & offer to buy (obviously assuming you've already checked the car bodily wise & runs OK etc etc).

If on the other hand the first answer is "donno mate ", then either walk away or negotiate a price that allows you to get this work done soon after purchase but within your overall budget.

BTW - roughly how much does it cost for a specialist to do this work, (I'm not capable due to lack of knowledge & experience - just being honest).
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So for a Newbie with little technical knowledge looking at buy a 75 / ZT you should ask the question on a potential purchase ...

"Do you know when the belts were last changed mate ?"

If the response is "they were done x months/years ago @ x'000 miles" then the next question is "were the tensioner, idler, water pump etc done as well ?"

If the asnwer is "yes mate, & here's a copy of the receipt from "Joe Blogs" garage to prove it " ... jobs a good un, & offer to buy (obviously assuming you've already checked the car bodily wise & runs OK etc etc).

If on the other hand the first answer is "donno mate ", then either walk away or negotiate a price that allows you to get this work done soon after purchase but within your overall budget.

BTW - roughly how much does it cost for a specialist to do this work, (I'm not capable due to lack of knowledge & experience - just being honest).

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So for a Newbie with little technical knowledge looking at buy a 75 / ZT you should ask the question on a potential purchase ...

"Do you know when the belts were last changed mate ?"

If the response is "they were done x months/years ago @ x'000 miles" then the next question is "were the tensioner, idler, water pump etc done as well ?"

If the asnwer is "yes mate, & here's a copy of the receipt from "Joe Blogs" garage to prove it " ... jobs a good un, & offer to buy (obviously assuming you've already checked the car bodily wise & runs OK etc etc).

If on the other hand the first answer is "donno mate ", then either walk away or negotiate a price that allows you to get this work done soon after purchase but within your overall budget.

BTW - roughly how much does it cost for a specialist to do this work, (I'm not capable due to lack of knowledge & experience - just being honest).

Price is anywhere between £350 and £600 depending on the parts used and person doing the job.
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Price is anywhere between £350 and £600 Delong in parts used and person doing the job.
Thanks for that Trikey. So a significant outlay, but not end-of-the-world amount like if the worst happened & a new engine.

Even worst case value, you'd be looking at a £100/annum investment ready for the next time in 6 years. You'd be spending a lot more / annum for insurance & roadtax, so it's all relevant I suppose.

I remember having to shell out more than that when my then 2007 Civic needed new discs/pads front & back as well as the usual service cost. That wasn't a good day
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