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It is called fraud if something is passed off as the same item that was ordered by you, but is not the same. If they are trying to say that it is the same as the item you ordered, then they are wrong again. SNR is not FAG. Report them to trading standards .There must be lots of this going on because people just say ‘well, what can you do’. That saying really gets my goat. As long as they get away with it they don’t give a damn. The fact that another make is considered the same as another is a misnomer. A Ford motor vehicle is not a Jaguar or any other make. It is a Ford. The company, Rover, is extinct, so if a company say’s it used to supply parts to them, oem, then they must have supplied them.
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But from what I can see the OP didn't order an SNR item. He ordered an OEM item and if FAG is now the selected OEM manufacturer of part of the OEM assembly, there is no deception involved. Things would be different if the OP specifically ordered an SNR item and he was sent something different. Even then, I am not sure he could claim it was fraud unless it was marked up as SNR i.e. pretending to be SNR and was not. |
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What you are buying is not just a bearing, it is a hub/ flange assembly etc and surely its not inconceivable that NTN(SNR) is using a FAG part in that assembly as a way of producing it without having to make all the parts themselves
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As an aside, I dislike this type of bearing immensely, they are machined mild steel with induction hardened outer races. The original equipment (SNR) were drop forged then the flange face, spigot and outer races machined and then induction hardened. The result is a much stronger, lighter bearing which contributes to less unsprung weight. Interestingly, this is being marketed as SNR, and I could well believe that, however it is overlaid with an NTN watermark, so do what do we think of the correlation between those two brands??? Take a look HERE So, do we think that SNR are part of the Schaeffler Group, owners of the FAG bearing brand? Doubtful, take a look HERE The fact remains, I would still favour the drop forged type as pictured above. Brian |
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Given how long our cars have been out of production, I would guess that the best that OEM can mean is the part meets the OEM specification. In reality, it probably means that consideration has been given to the OEM specification.
This in my view would still be better than a generic aftermarket part where it is highly unlikely that OEM specifications/requirements have been considered in most cases. It would be interesting to know whether a SNR and a FAG part is available in an SNR marked box and under the same part number. |
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When you look at bearings manufactured by machining mild steel as opposed to drop forging, there is a reason for this and the answer is simple, they are manufactured to a price, not manufactured to the sort of standard where you might expect a decent service life. So anyway, what makes the difference between something like the FAG manufactured one pictured originally, and say THIS.....the clue being the wording used in the advert " This item is the Genuine MG Rover part - as fitted at Longbridge during production, made by SNR (France)" Now I happen to know Mat dabbled with some wheel bearings of the machined steel type, and now doesn't, as I fitted one to a rather nice 75 tourer, it lasted for 1500 miles |
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