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Old 11th June 2019, 08:03   #1
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Default Let's play - post your manifesto for the PM job

Please keep this non-political and civil. It would be helpful if we did not comment on political parties, politicians or their policies. This is about you, the aspiring PM.

The self-nominations will close at the end of the day and we can create a poll for the members.
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Old 11th June 2019, 09:00   #2
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Herewith a list of the key policies that I would introduce in order to re-engineer society's values and individual contribution of the citizens.

1. All citizens over the age of 16, other than those medically declared as unable to work or those in formal education, will be expected to work for a living and be given 37 hours of work per week.

2. All paid work will attract a minimum living wage - circa £20k today.

3. Those incapable of working will also receive a living wage.

4. There will be an earnings cap of 5 times the living wage above which tax and NI will be levied at 100% of earnings (all earnings including dividends, interest, property etc.)

5. Pensions will be means tested, start at the age of 70 and effectively reduce with time.

6. Care for the elderly will be means tested and where appropriate state provided at a basic level.

7. Provision of NHS services will be prioritised for the 10 to 50 year olds, with medical intervention for over 75's limited to managing painful conditions.

8. All citizens approaching the age of 70 will be offered the opportunity to voluntary enter into an agreement that allows a reckless lifestyle, partly funded by the state, between the ages of 70 and 77 followed by a "Logun's Run" style graceful switch-off at 77.

9. Laws of the land will be supreme. All those harming others, damaging others' property and demonstrating anti-social behaviour will be terminated using a pain-free method.

10. All those with repeat minor offences will also be terminated. e.g. termination after 6 points for traffic violations.

11. Most political insitutions e.g. local councils will be replaced with bodies of professional technocrats.

12. All technocratic institutions will be responsible to a single elected supreme council and it's expert bodies. Elections to the council will be held on the basis of candidate quality as opposed to political affiliation. Membership of the council will be considered an honour and subject to the minimum living wage.

13. Voting will be optimised to provide a maximum weighting to the wishes of citizens in the 25 to 45 age bracket. Voting age will be lowered to 16 and voting rights will be withdrawn at the age of 70.

14. The state will assume ownership of all national infrastructure.

15. Public transport will be expanded to provide a service to 80% of the population for the purpose of getting to/from work. Car use for commuting will be taxed at enhanced rates in these areas.

All other policies will in some way link to the above as guiding principles.

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Old 11th June 2019, 11:39   #3
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Herewith a list of the key policies that I would introduce in order to re-engineer society's values and individual contribution of the citizens.

1. All citizens over the age of 16, other than those medically declared as unable to work or those in formal education, will be expected to work for a living and be given 37 hours of work per week.

2. All paid work will attract a minimum living wage - circa £20k today.

3. Those incapable of working will also receive a living wage.

4. There will be an earnings cap of 5 times the living wage above which tax and NI will be levied at 100% of earnings (all earnings including dividends, interest, property etc.)

5. Pensions will be means tested, start at the age of 70 and effectively reduce with time.

6. Care for the elderly will be means tested and where appropriate state provided at a basic level.

7. Provision of NHS services will be prioritised for the 10 to 50 year olds, with medical intervention for over 75's limited to managing painful conditions.

8. All citizens approaching the age of 70 will be offered the opportunity to voluntary enter into an agreement that allows a reckless lifestyle, partly funded by the state, between the ages of 70 and 77 followed by a "Logun's Run" style graceful switch-off at 77.

9. Laws of the land will be supreme. All those harming others, damaging others' property and demonstrating anti-social behaviour will be terminated using a pain-free method.

10. All those with repeat minor offences will also be terminated. e.g. termination after 6 points for traffic violations.

11. Most political insitutions e.g. local councils will be replaced with bodies of professional technocrats.

12. All technocratic institutions will be responsible to a single elected supreme council and it's expert bodies. Elections to the council will be held on the basis of candidate quality as opposed to political affiliation. Membership of the council will be considered an honour and subject to the minimum living wage.

13. Voting will be optimised to provide a maximum weighting to the wishes of citizens in the 25 to 45 age bracket. Voting age will be lowered to 16 and voting rights will be withdrawn at the age of 70.

14. The state will assume ownership of all national infrastructure.

15. Public transport will be expanded to provide a service to 80% of the population for the purpose of getting to/from work. Car use for commuting will be taxed at enhanced rates in these areas.

All other policies will in some way link to the above as guiding principles.

my goodness I agree with some of your points.
point 4 seems to contradict 2
15 how do you thinkl it should be funded as some of the population will be so far spread out the cost for the transport companies could mean they run the service at a loss

14 can the state run all institutions more cost effective and efficient then private?

13 why cant over 70's vote

10 6 points is a bit low

7 why not an NHS for all, many of the people you will need will be over 50

5 pension start at 70, too high.


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Old 11th June 2019, 11:42   #4
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Herewith a list of the key policies that I would introduce in order to re-engineer society's values and individual contribution of the citizens.

1. All citizens over the age of 16, other than those medically declared as unable to work or those in formal education, will be expected to work for a living and be given 37 hours of work per week.

2. All paid work will attract a minimum living wage - circa £20k today.

3. Those incapable of working will also receive a living wage.

4. There will be an earnings cap of 5 times the living wage above which tax and NI will be levied at 100% of earnings (all earnings including dividends, interest, property etc.)

5. Pensions will be means tested, start at the age of 70 and effectively reduce with time.

6. Care for the elderly will be means tested and where appropriate state provided at a basic level.

7. Provision of NHS services will be prioritised for the 10 to 50 year olds, with medical intervention for over 75's limited to managing painful conditions.

8. All citizens approaching the age of 70 will be offered the opportunity to voluntary enter into an agreement that allows a reckless lifestyle, partly funded by the state, between the ages of 70 and 77 followed by a "Logun's Run" style graceful switch-off at 77.

9. Laws of the land will be supreme. All those harming others, damaging others' property and demonstrating anti-social behaviour will be terminated using a pain-free method.

10. All those with repeat minor offences will also be terminated. e.g. termination after 6 points for traffic violations.

11. Most political insitutions e.g. local councils will be replaced with bodies of professional technocrats.

12. All technocratic institutions will be responsible to a single elected supreme council and it's expert bodies. Elections to the council will be held on the basis of candidate quality as opposed to political affiliation. Membership of the council will be considered an honour and subject to the minimum living wage.

13. Voting will be optimised to provide a maximum weighting to the wishes of citizens in the 25 to 45 age bracket. Voting age will be lowered to 16 and voting rights will be withdrawn at the age of 70.

14. The state will assume ownership of all national infrastructure.

15. Public transport will be expanded to provide a service to 80% of the population for the purpose of getting to/from work. Car use for commuting will be taxed at enhanced rates in these areas.

All other policies will in some way link to the above as guiding principles.

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Old 20th June 2019, 19:50   #5
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5. Pensions will be means tested, start at the age of 70 and effectively reduce with time.

6. Care for the elderly will be means tested and where appropriate state provided at a basic level.

7. Provision of NHS services will be prioritised for the 10 to 50 year olds, with medical intervention for over 75's limited to managing painful conditions.

8. All citizens approaching the age of 70 will be offered the opportunity to voluntary enter into an agreement that allows a reckless lifestyle, partly funded by the state, between the ages of 70 and 77 followed by a "Logun's Run" style graceful switch-off at 77.

13. .........voting rights will be withdrawn at the age of 70.
mss, if you think any of that is 'funny', then you are a sick and twisted individual.

Your apparent disgusting regard for older folk ignores the contribution they can still make to society, their family and friends, regardless of age or ill health.

There is no point playing devil's advocate in such a way - it doesn't achieve anything and shows that you have some really dark thoughts going on inside your mind.
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Old 21st June 2019, 20:54   #6
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mss, if you think any of that is 'funny', then you are a sick and twisted individual.

Your apparent disgusting regard for older folk ignores the contribution they can still make to society, their family and friends, regardless of age or ill health.

There is no point playing devil's advocate in such a way - it doesn't achieve anything and shows that you have some really dark thoughts going on inside your mind.
Thank you for those observations Bolin.

So that you are not mistaken about facts, I am one of the "older folk". What I think we the "older folk" need to take personal views on is whether we are happy to continue consuming an incerasingly larger share of UK's wealth, which will lead to increasing debt, that will affect the lives of the younger generation in years to come. If an individual is content with with this, then fine. But I would hope that after giving it due consideration, many of us would not be content and will wish to address their consumption accordingly. Equally, some will see it as their right to keep taking what is best for themselves. That is the way of the world

If you do not like my thoughts, put you own proposals on the table for a grown-up discussion insted of attacking me. .
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mss,in a more serious reply to your views, than my earlier post, i think you are in the minority of pensioners who feel the same as you. I have worked continuously from the age of 15 until i retired at 63. During the those 48 yrs every week part of my pay was taken from me as tax and NI contributions so i am now getting back some of the money i put in the pot. As for number 8 on your list,i am now in the best years of my life,and not making money for the companies that employed and made a good profit of my time.So there is no way i would want to end my life any sooner than it will be. If you feel different to this, i genuinely feel sorry for you.
As regards to the Country's debt i can assure you it is not come about because of the people who have done a lifetime of work.
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............i think you are in the minority of pensioners who feel the same as you............
I suspect you are right, but that does not make my views or that of the broader minority any less valid.

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....... I have worked continuously from the age of 15 until i retired at 63. During the those 48 yrs every week part of my pay was taken from me as tax and NI contributions so i am now getting back some of the money i put in the pot...............

As regards to the Country's debt i can assure you it is not come about because of the people who have done a lifetime of work.
I think this is where my views differ from most other "older people". Whilst our generation have consistently worked and paid into the "system", we have also consumed at an unsustainable rate and continue to do so. As a result the legacy that we shall be passing onto the younger generation is one of a debt ridden society leading to a hard and harsh life for the majority. This in my view is worthy of some personal sole searching and where necessary corrective action.

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............. If you feel different to this, i genuinely feel sorry for you.
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There is no need for anyone to feel sorry for me. Quite the opposite - most would find find it difficult to believe how content I am with my life. I feel that I am performing my obligations and duties as a citizen and a father as well as anyone could and with pride. As for death, I am a bit like the Klingons in that a good well timed death will be preferable to a bad life.

There is a tendency on this forum to demonise the young whilst upholding our generation as the guardians of high standards. This is not consistent with my general observation of the young nor the older generation.

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A 4 day week for all, think of how many new jobs that would create.

Retirement at 60 for all.

Abolish petrol tax and do it on miles covered.

Death sentence for all murderers and sex offenders.

Anybody not born in the UK is exiled as soon as they commit a serious offence, no second chances.

Increase motorway speed limit to 85 if traffic permits. 60mph in wet/bad conditions.

Drunk drivers 4 year ban on first offence, second offence life time ban.

Speeding no points just fines unless 50% over limit and then a ban.

Another bank holiday later in the year and one less earlier.
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