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Old 17th July 2018, 17:57   #21
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The problem is twofold i.e. 1. Drivers. 2. Cars. Someone once said to me, a policeman actually, "you can question a drivers parentage, suggest his mother is a woman of easy virtue but never, never suggest he is a bad driver" Chris.S.
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Old 17th July 2018, 18:22   #22
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We have that here, new drivers can't go above 45 mph, even on motorways.
Well that would be a start - but inexperienced drivers on a motorway restricted to 45mph does not seem that wise to me...

But then neither does inexperienced drivers allowed on a motorway to do 70mph seem sensible either
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Old 17th July 2018, 18:26   #23
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The problem is twofold i.e. 1. Drivers. 2. Cars. Someone once said to me, a policeman actually, "you can question a drivers parentage, suggest his mother is a woman of easy virtue but never, never suggest he is a bad driver" Chris.S.
I thought Jeremy Clarksons idea of doing away with Airbags - especially those in the steering wheel and replacing them with a 2 ft spike aimed directly at the drivers heart - would make us all drive a tad more carefully.
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Old 17th July 2018, 19:41   #24
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We have that here, new drivers can't go above 45 mph, even on motorways.
Unfortunately an R plate only warns others of the inexperience. As evident HERE. I looked back through the video, and the guy appeared from nowhere, and obviously has weaved through the traffic. For the most part, I dont believe he was driving more than 45mph.

I would like to see some form of speed restriction for the L and R drivers enabled via the ECU (one of our work's vans is limited to 68mph in this way). Enabled via a dealer perhaps at the time of insurance purchase? I know this could be circumvented, but an immediate loss of licence if caught going beyond 45 mph. Likewise, I know there is an issue when they'd drive a parent's car, but too bad. As a parent how would you feel having to collect your child from hospital/police cell, after they'd been told their passenger(s) is (are) dead, or the other driver? (there was talk of passenger restrictions and curfews recently for R drivers too - not sure how I feel about that, as it restricts obtaining experience)

Many years ago, a guy in the year above me wrote off an XR2 showing off. His father then bought him his own car, a Lada, with a metal block welded onto the accelerator cable bracket. Restricting it to about 2500 rpm. So fitting carbs wouldnt be an issue either lol

As for older drivers, I think we should all have some kind of test, or exam at least every licence renewal. (ours expire every 10 years and 3 after 70 years old). Maybe even reducing licence expiry to every 5 years? I know my eyesight is still good (My 10 year old nephew and I are the only ones in my family now that dont wear glasses). However, my confidence and reactions are less than they were 20 years ago. My conscience though is greater as I get older I value life more (which is one of the reasons why I believe older drivers are more cautious)
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Old 17th July 2018, 20:07   #25
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Unfortunately an R plate only warns others of the inexperience.
80% of rta fatalities here are male. 25% of that 80% were aged between 17 and 24 when they died.

I was talking to a peeler at work the other night and he said they're to bring in random checkpoints this month. They're going to breath and drug test people randomly as well as have a look for any obvious defects on the cars while they're at it.
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80% of rta fatalities here are male. 25% of that 80% were aged between 17 and 24 when they died.

I was talking to a peeler at work the other night and he said they're to bring in random checkpoints this month. They're going to breath and drug test people randomly as well as have a look for any obvious defects on the cars while they're at it.
Be interesting to know the ages of the other 75% - does that cover the rest of age range, which would suggest a close to even spread of males, circumstances too would be useful - they all could have been killed by 75 year old grannies driving lol. Either way, you are saying men are more likely to die in an RTA?

The source would be informative too - but even more informative, although obviously impossible to gather, would be the breakdown of the drivers and their cars at the time of each fatality - a 20 year old corsa with 20 year old springs, or the 1 year old merc with a million airbags. Brings it all down to experience and conscience again. The 70 year old Corsa driver would be likely to understand and appreciate the benefits of modern car design, whereas the 17 year old merc driver believes he or she (!) is invincible in their padded safety cell with ABS.

Unfortunately these kinds of figures only tell one chapter of a very long story. ALL drivers of both sexes, should be retested and restricted, during L and R plate periods. Maybe even increasing the speed restriction to 60 mph after a year for a year? I still believe experience is the problem, in the young, conscience and confidence in the older.


By the way, we have always had random check points. Although granted, they have been reduced in number over the past 20 years, but they did also serve a purpose of vehicular and alcohol checks too (if the cop smelled alcohol, he could request a specimen of breath. (UDR although I dont think could, but the British soldier could ask for an opinion from their RUC escort )
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Old 17th July 2018, 21:35   #27
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well if we must pick on elderly drivers, this from my local store
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/1635...sons-car-park/

look at the 5th picture to see how narrow the gap is.

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Old 18th July 2018, 10:02   #28
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well if we must pick on elderly drivers, this from my local store
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/1635...sons-car-park/

look at the 5th picture to see how narrow the gap is.

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Not trying to pick on elderly drivers specifically, just drivers who shouldn't really be driving because they're not competent. That said the story in that link is shocking, the driver of the Peugeot *should* be facing prison time for that and yet being an elderly lady she'll probably just offer to surrender her licence and will get away with it.
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Strangely enough I’m at an accident right now - country road, 76 year old driver hit the accelerator rather than the brakes and went into the trees on a sharp corner.

Airbags went off and she looks like she’s been punched in the face.

The Police and Ambulance arrived and I then left.
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