Energy bills

[MissMoppet]

Indeed but I've never understood this passionate objection to ONshore wind turbines. What's wrong with them? Drive across the N German plain and the only relief from boredom are clusters of turbines. They can look quite spectacular and are I believe not surrounded by piles of dead birds as some have claimed. I'd love to know how much more expensive building and maintaining offshore compared to on land is. OK maybe don't build them on top of Helvellyn but there must be many other places where they would not be a problem at all.

[Saga Lout]

Originally Posted by MissMoppet

Indeed but I've never understood this passionate objection to ONshore wind turbines. What's wrong with them? Drive across the N German plain and the only relief from boredom are clusters of turbines. They can look quite spectacular and are I believe not surrounded by piles of dead birds as some have claimed. I'd love to know how much more expensive building and maintaining offshore compared to on land is. OK maybe don't build them on top of Helvellyn but there must be many other places where they would not be a problem at all.

Have a dig around and find out the cost of them, what they bring in terms of savings and how too much wind destroys them, they cost more than you think.

[mbev51]

Originally Posted by MSS

I would say the exact opposite. The sooner we invest in green energy, the sooner we will be less dependent on imported energy in all its forms.

Let's face it, the country spent £37bn on an ineffective contact tracing system/operation. Think what it could mean if we spent a similar amount on transitioning to green energy sources.

I’m suggesting that we will have to extract the energy we have, not suggesting we should import. We have reserves in the North Sea and loads we can access via fracking. As a country financially we need to use the resources we have. I don’t think we have the wealth as a country to go green quickly. Our national debt is 2.3 trillion, this year will see a huge increase in fuel poverty. Much I would like to go green quickly , I don’t think we can afford to.

[Borg Warner]

Originally Posted by COLVERT

True but by only a minute fraction. Magnets much too weak.

Some of the alternative methods of illegally tampering with the meter were not so subtle. Companies even had dedicated teams to catch folks.

Oh happy days.

[macafee2]

Originally Posted by mbev51

I’m suggesting that we will have to extract the energy we have, not suggesting we should import. We have reserves in the North Sea and loads we can access via fracking. As a country financially we need to use the resources we have. I don’t think we have the wealth as a country to go green quickly. Our national debt is 2.3 trillion, this year will see a huge increase in fuel poverty. Much I would like to go green quickly , I don’t think we can afford to.

fracking, wow thats' a can of worms to open.

macafee2

[Lancpudn]

Originally Posted by mbev51

I’m suggesting that we will have to extract the energy we have, not suggesting we should import. We have reserves in the North Sea and loads we can access via fracking. As a country financially we need to use the resources we have. I don’t think we have the wealth as a country to go green quickly. Our national debt is 2.3 trillion, this year will see a huge increase in fuel poverty. Much I would like to go green quickly , I don’t think we can afford to.

The EU is overhauling it's climate policies for all 'Net Zero 2050' countries (that's us too) so if any of those countries don't cut their emissions in line with the 'Fit for 55' (55% reduction in emissions before 2030) there will be more financial penalties for countries that miss their emission targets. The UK government signed us up to a 68% reduction in emissions before 2030 in December 2020 https://www.euractiv.com/section/ene...missions-cuts/

[torque2me]

Originally Posted by Lancpudn

The EU is overhauling it's climate policies for all 'Net Zero 2050' countries (that's us too) so if any of those countries don't cut their emissions in line with the 'Fit for 55' (55% reduction in emissions before 2030) there will be more financial penalties for countries that miss their emission targets. The UK government signed us up to a 68% reduction in emissions before 2030 in December 2020 https://www.euractiv.com/section/ene...missions-cuts/

It's all total cobblers! Can you imagine Germany actually doing a 55% reduction? All it will be is statistics going into the fudge factory. And as for this stupid administration, it won't be the elite who will be monitored for actual reductions, it will be the great unwashed!

Kev

[MSS]

Originally Posted by torque2me

It's all total cobblers! Can you imagine Germany actually doing a 55% reduction? All it will be is statistics going into the fudge factory. And as for this stupid administration, it won't be the elite who will be monitored for actual reductions, it will be the great unwashed!

Kev

An alternative scenario is that Germany will achieve massive reductions and use them to gain a competitive advantage in world markets against countries that have only paid lip service to environmental actions. This is a perfectly plausible scenario given how aware younger people are of our impacts on the environment and lack of action.

As for the elite, they only represent the top 1%. The unwashed, even if only responsible for half the emissions relative to the elite per head, still account for the majority of the total emissions. Control the habbits of the unwashed and the elite will be able to continue playing without concern.

PS - the equality thing between the elite and the peasant classes is a dream that the peasant has until he/she becomes the elite and then he/she will trample over his former comrades without giving it a second thought. It's all just an artificial concept that doesn't really apply in reality.

[MSS]

Originally Posted by mbev51

I’m suggesting that we will have to extract the energy we have, not suggesting we should import. We have reserves in the North Sea and loads we can access via fracking. As a country financially we need to use the resources we have. I don’t think we have the wealth as a country to go green quickly. Our national debt is 2.3 trillion, this year will see a huge increase in fuel poverty. Much I would like to go green quickly , I don’t think we can afford to.

Why do you believe that the infrastructure for extracting, processing and transporting those natural resources will be any cheaper than say the infrastructure for wind and solar power?

[Lancpudn]

Originally Posted by torque2me

It's all total cobblers! Can you imagine Germany actually doing a 55% reduction? All it will be is statistics going into the fudge factory. And as for this stupid administration, it won't be the elite who will be monitored for actual reductions, it will be the great unwashed!

Kev

There's a big brouhaha going on at present between the big hitters in the EU whether Gas & Nuclear can regarded as being in the 'Green Deal' from what I've read.

The EU has said no dice on gas or nuclear being defined as green in the western part of Europe/UK & the only countries who will get some sort of dispensation are the Eastern EU members like Poland, Greece & Romania (off the top of my head) as coal is & has always been the main source of power production.