Fuel prices and our cars.

[polinsteve]

Originally Posted by Richard1973

I will drive a bit more gently but at least none of us are paying several hundred £ a month on lease costs before it's even turned a wheel.
Electric cars have got to be the most attractive at the moment.

Not sure I agree although I hope my misgivings are proved to be wrong.

I have no drive and nowhere to put a drive. The only parking is on the opposite side of the road, therefore nowhere to charge at home. As is normal with costs, once the government and utility companies have a captive audience, public prices will rocket, as with diesel. The 2.00 litre diesel engine goes on forever whereas batteries have a relatively short life with a massive replacement cost. I have no idea how long the electric motors last

Too visit my daughter I have a return journey of 360 miles, nowhere to charge at home or her house so realistically, in good weather and favourable conditions, I would still have to recharge at motorway prices. Add to that the huge cost to buy even a basic model makes them a very unattractive option. There is also the near impossible task to find replacement costs for the battery packs.

How many of our Rovers, (or any older cars) do you think would have survived had they needed probably 2-3 replacement packs by now? I can see many drivers, just on battery pack costs, being forced off the roads or unable to afford to get their first old banger.

I believe that hydrogen power will be the way forward, that's assuming that we peasants haven't been forced off the road by all the additional taxes.

[polinsteve]

Originally Posted by stevestrat

Wimp! I used a bike rain, snow and shine for years. When I arrived at work, home or whatever in deepest winter I'd be in agony as the feeling returned to my hands.

I covered many happy miles throughout the year on my trusty Kawasaki GPZ 550.

[Rickoshea]

Old Faithful, I have to agree with your comment on electric cars! It now costs me £7 to charge my battery at home to get 240 miles range. I know that is less than the cost of a gallon of petrol and a lot less than a gallon of the devil’s fuel. It will probably rise to £10 in April but by then the solar panels on the roof should be delivering free electricity.

PS can we kill this nonsense about needing to replace the batteries. Early EV (like the Leaf) suffered this problem but their are lots of EVs with over 200k on the clock runnnig fine.

[polinsteve]

Originally Posted by StewartIngram

I'm still using mine, though as usual I'm sensible about when I do. It is a KV6 petrol - but with the added bonus of an lpg conversion (been on lpg since 2000, what a saving, I was doing 20k miles ps before retiring). Morrisons upped there price from 57p to 72p after the panic buying last dec (?), that was a shock, but the local* gas supplier was still around 52p last time I went in. I get the same mpg on gas or petrol.
(*Local to me means around 15 miles away whichever direction I travel; I fill up whenevr I go past the pumps).

How much boot space do you lose?

[trikey]

Originally Posted by stevestrat

Wimp! I used a bike rain, snow and shine for years. When I arrived at work, home or whatever in deepest winter I'd be in agony as the feeling returned to my hands.

And that’s exactly why I don’t do it anymore 🤣

[Olde faithful]

Originally Posted by polinsteve

Not sure I agree although I hope my misgivings are proved to be wrong.

I have no drive and nowhere to put a drive. The only parking is on the opposite side of the road, therefore nowhere to charge at home. As is normal with costs, once the government and utility companies have a captive audience, public prices will rocket, as with diesel. The 2.00 litre diesel engine goes on forever whereas batteries have a relatively short life with a massive replacement cost. I have no idea how long the electric motors last

Too visit my daughter I have a return journey of 360 miles, nowhere to charge at home or her house so realistically, in good weather and favourable conditions, I would still have to recharge at motorway prices. Add to that the huge cost to buy even a basic model makes them a very unattractive option. There is also the near impossible task to find replacement costs for the battery packs.

How many of our Rovers, (or any older cars) do you think would have survived had they needed probably 2-3 replacement packs by now? I can see many drivers, just on battery pack costs, being forced off the roads or unable to afford to get their first old banger.

I believe that hydrogen power will be the way forward, that's assuming that we peasants haven't been forced off the road by all the additional taxes.

100% AGREE, ICe cars are vynl records ,Battery cars are short lived CDs.....streaming are Hydrogen... exactly correct... battery cars are a FAD and will not cut it

[dattrike]

Classic

[Olde faithful]

Originally Posted by Rickoshea

Old Faithful, I have to agree with your comment on electric cars! It now costs me £7 to charge my battery at home to get 240 miles range. I know that is less than the cost of a gallon of petrol and a lot less than a gallon of the devil’s fuel. It will probably rise to £10 in April but by then the solar panels on the roof should be delivering free electricity.

PS can we kill this nonsense about needing to replace the batteries. Early EV (like the Leaf) suffered this problem but their are lots of EVs with over 200k on the clock runnnig fine.

with coal, knocked out by the greens, freeze to death agenda.....and GBs power grid running at 98% currently, it will not be long and power cuts are coming....and there will be no charging then. the mighty Diesel engine with massive MPG return and pulling power will keep going with autonomy too. Battery cars also suffer from switching the heater on and further downing the battery length of use. with no coal and nuclear power stations coming on line wind and solar wont cut it and with more people thinking ummm ill get a battery car to get out of this DERV problem...it WILL come back to bite them. those smart meters most homes have now... are not there for cheaper prices and telling what your using..... come May 2022... all GB homes on those go to open market prices......so instead of paying £? per kilowatt you will be on the open market at full tilt prices especially with a deliberate cabal war on....two years of 24/7 covid on TV/Radio/Papers/Social media and the vaccine could not kill it... within 24 hours of Russian tanks arriving in Ukraine, it killed covid..... in the USA President Biden in feb 2021 cuts the pipeline of fuel for a self sufficient nation and Germany cuts Nord 2 pipeline in Feb 2022. Also in the USA the breadbasket of the world have farmers being paid to shut down wheat farms and in the EU..... are you getting the picture yet.......now we have Ukraine another 25% of world production of wheat!! and Russia major fuel exporter ........all by design Davos!! add the dots and get ready for world wide famine and fuel shortages, with electric right up there. ALL BY DESIGN... PS also note there will be a massive world wide power outage and all governments will say you need Digital ID to go online to do anything...... this is currently being jacked up.....hence the war with Russia..... they "did it" no the Russians have not!!!! they are as innocent as the ukraine people..... its the people in charge..... you will have no power grid soon and no internet... keep this and hold it against me if you think im wrong.... its coming..you do not want to be thinking of wealth.....buy food, lots of it. Also buy an old diesel engine car.....stay off the grid ....because there wont be one. the Great reset being played out and us Regular people are not in the elite club. buy the book the great reset by Klaus scwhab of the world economic forum AKA Davos cartel gangsters and they tell you everything they going to do between now and 2029.

[StewartIngram]

Originally Posted by polinsteve

How much boot space do you lose?

Tank is a donut in the spare wheel well, so the spare wheel sits on the floor. No real bother as I don't carry junk around with me.
Far more inconvenient is the uncomfortable driver's seat. Sitting on a fatter wallet is uncomfortable!

[Heddy]

It's sad really, especially if your Rover is your daily driver. They really are classics now, to be preserved and used minimally. I had to sell mine for another reason, hard to get in and out but decisions will have to be made whether owners keep running them due to escalating fuel costs. I made an impulse buy with an Astra 1.6 with low mileage but that has now gone, replaced by a Golf Plus 1.9 TDi Auto.