Plug-in hybrids emit MORE CO2 than diesels

Dallas · 22nd September 2017, 09:39

Who, or what are we meant to believe?

Newly released data from TMC highlights worryingly high fuel consumption and emissions in real world driving for hybrid vehicles.

Read HERE...

BaroqueMoon · 22nd September 2017, 11:09

Oh for petes sake.
What a load of tosh that article is.
Do you own analysis but this time imagine if you will that users of hybrids will plug in and recharge overnight.
This kind of rubbish reporting makes my blood boil.
I guess thats why it gets reported. It got my attention.
Objective achieved.

EastPete · 22nd September 2017, 11:25

I actually thought it made some valid points - my brother-in-law has a PHEV, plugs it in when he can, but uses it for a 100 mile commute, so the battery only provides power for the first 20 miles or so - he only gets 40-50 mpg when like this. He could get the same or better from a diesel. Of course, there is the separate air quality/NO2 emissions issue - it is not all about CO2.

Pete

jackatesme · 22nd September 2017, 12:01

Could be fake news,or was the study endorsed by OPEC.

Avulon · 22nd September 2017, 12:15

It states what should be quite obvious, If you have a 'PHEV' carrying all that battery weight but use the IC engine more than the electric then it uses more fuel than a car with similar size engine and no heavy batteries. Obvious innit?

It's saying that many PHEVs are being bought for fleet use where mileages are high and journeys are much longer than battery power can take you and they aren't (yet) suited to high mileage and long journey efficiency.

Add 'higher emissions' into the text for SEO and clickbait....

MSS · 22nd September 2017, 12:55

It's diapoointing that a report such as this uses the word "research" - the basis of the report is a simple observation rather than research.

It's reasonable to expect that professional fleet managers would apply some common sense and intelligence in their buying or approving decisions. The report would suggest that is not universally the case. This should be the point of concern and not that hybrid cars used predominently in a non-hibrid mode are not delivering the optimum performance levels.

Mintee · 22nd September 2017, 13:40

The reason that the uptake of diesel vehicles was encouraged was because the diesel combustion cycle produces far less Co2 than burning petrol.

PHEV is a reasonable option, if you don't mind the fact that you are either pushing around an engine you don't need to use because most of your trips are under 30 miles (when you could use a pure EV anyway!) or you have a more expensive vehicle than you would otherwise need and barrel up and down the motorway dragging a lot more weight with a battery pack that is doing little. (And my wife wants a V60 diesel hybrid next!

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Rogue · 22nd September 2017, 14:03

I think you have to bear in mind the context and the publication the article was published in. In this case it was for fleet managers predominantly and much of what was mentioned is almost certainly true in the typical use of fleet cars. I don't think that it's trying to say that the use of hybrids is more polluting although there is always the arguement with regards to the burning of fossil fuels to provide the electricity to charge ev's but that's another subject completely. However for the average company rep trolling up and down motorways all day long they probably don't fare so well against the traditional options. It could certainly be of some interest to fleet managers that might have taken the decision to go hybrid on the basis of the tax breaks that they bring with them especially if there is some talk about those breaks coming to an end.

championdaddy · 22nd September 2017, 16:03

My 190 Zt passed its Mot last week.........apparently showing 0% CO2 !!!

Not bad for a 16 year old car.

murphyv310 · 22nd September 2017, 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by championdaddy

My 190 Zt passed its Mot last week.........apparently showing 0% CO2 !!!

Not bad for a 16 year old car.

Quick. Get it 're-sprayed green

22nd September 2017, 09:39	#1
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BaroqueMoon Gets stuck in Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Ballarat Posts: 937 Thanks: 576 Thanked 114 Times in 99 Posts	Oh for petes sake. What a load of tosh that article is. Do you own analysis but this time imagine if you will that users of hybrids will plug in and recharge overnight. This kind of rubbish reporting makes my blood boil. I guess thats why it gets reported. It got my attention. Objective achieved. __________________ Love my 75 and it loves me Membership Number 1703 This vehicle was the 82,624th 75 to run off the production line, out of 112,381 This vehicle was the 6,161st 75 2.5 V6 Contemporary to be made out of 8,214 This vehicle was the 9,755th 75 in White Gold Metallic (code: GMN) to be made out of 12,251 White Gold Metallic 75s Last edited by BaroqueMoon; 22nd September 2017 at 11:15..

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Avulon This is my second home 1.8t Tourer Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tanelorn Posts: 4,830 Thanks: 956 Thanked 1,148 Times in 916 Posts	It states what should be quite obvious, If you have a 'PHEV' carrying all that battery weight but use the IC engine more than the electric then it uses more fuel than a car with similar size engine and no heavy batteries. Obvious innit? It's saying that many PHEVs are being bought for fleet use where mileages are high and journeys are much longer than battery power can take you and they aren't (yet) suited to high mileage and long journey efficiency. Add 'higher emissions' into the text for SEO and clickbait.... __________________ Need a T4 ?: T4 Owners Map thanks to Stevestrat ( use at your own risk) Where?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanelorn Mods/Retrofits: PCV vortex 'filter'; bluetooth; inline thermostat; reversing sensors; plenum spyhole ; headlamp washers ; Diy mp3 player replacing CD multichanger; FBH with remote; Headlamp washers; black/chrome front grille, rear blind; Xenon projectors To do: puddle lights; 2 Din cd/nav to fit; boot release button Last edited by Avulon; 22nd September 2017 at 12:17.. Reason: ever seen a 'higer' in the wild?... me neither

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Rogue I really should get out more....... 75 CDT SE 160 Saloon Join Date: May 2017 Location: Thorpe St Andrew, Norwich Posts: 2,653 Thanks: 1,386 Thanked 1,096 Times in 774 Posts	I think you have to bear in mind the context and the publication the article was published in. In this case it was for fleet managers predominantly and much of what was mentioned is almost certainly true in the typical use of fleet cars. I don't think that it's trying to say that the use of hybrids is more polluting although there is always the arguement with regards to the burning of fossil fuels to provide the electricity to charge ev's but that's another subject completely. However for the average company rep trolling up and down motorways all day long they probably don't fare so well against the traditional options. It could certainly be of some interest to fleet managers that might have taken the decision to go hybrid on the basis of the tax breaks that they bring with them especially if there is some talk about those breaks coming to an end. __________________ Glutton for punishment --- Previously ... 2.6 SD1 x 2, 3.5 SD1, 820S, 820Si x2, 216 Gsi, 220T saloon, 414, 45 1.4 x2 and now a Cowley 75 CDT

22nd September 2017, 11:25	#3
EastPete Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDTi Classic saloon, MGB GT, Skoda Yeti Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ramsey, Cambs Posts: 1,874 Thanks: 626 Thanked 635 Times in 430 Posts	I actually thought it made some valid points - my brother-in-law has a PHEV, plugs it in when he can, but uses it for a 100 mile commute, so the battery only provides power for the first 20 miles or so - he only gets 40-50 mpg when like this. He could get the same or better from a diesel. Of course, there is the separate air quality/NO2 emissions issue - it is not all about CO2. Pete

22nd September 2017, 12:55	#6
MSS This is my second home Rover 75CDT, Jaguar XF-S 3.0V6, V'xhall Omega V6 Estate, Twintop 1.8VVT, Astra Estate and Corsa 1.2 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7,085 Thanks: 283 Thanked 624 Times in 440 Posts	It's diapoointing that a report such as this uses the word "research" - the basis of the report is a simple observation rather than research. It's reasonable to expect that professional fleet managers would apply some common sense and intelligence in their buying or approving decisions. The report would suggest that is not universally the case. This should be the point of concern and not that hybrid cars used predominently in a non-hibrid mode are not delivering the optimum performance levels.

22nd September 2017, 13:40	#7
Mintee Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: . Posts: 1,054 Thanks: 172 Thanked 48 Times in 42 Posts	The reason that the uptake of diesel vehicles was encouraged was because the diesel combustion cycle produces far less Co2 than burning petrol. PHEV is a reasonable option, if you don't mind the fact that you are either pushing around an engine you don't need to use because most of your trips are under 30 miles (when you could use a pure EV anyway!) or you have a more expensive vehicle than you would otherwise need and barrel up and down the motorway dragging a lot more weight with a battery pack that is doing little. (And my wife wants a V60 diesel hybrid next! )

22nd September 2017, 16:03	#9
championdaddy This is my second home Mg Zt 190 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The FIRST Garden City....Letchworth. Posts: 6,778 Thanks: 1,243 Thanked 920 Times in 698 Posts	My 190 Zt passed its Mot last week.........apparently showing 0% CO2 !!! Not bad for a 16 year old car.