Demise of law and order.

[wraymond]

Lots in the news recently about shocking figures of knife crime and the number of deaths of young people as a result. Everybody is screaming about it being caused by ‘the cuts’ and that the obvious solution is ‘more funding’.

One (BBC) news bulletin showed a graph of the falling number of officers from around 220,000 to the present guesstimate of around 200,000 since 2010. Then they superimposed another graph onto the first which showed the number of violent deaths had followed more or less the same pattern. So, the assumption is that fewer officers have had no effect on the number of violent deaths. Therefore both ‘the cuts’ and the number of officers are irrelevant. Make your own mind up.

Unless of course yet another aspect of gang war has started, probably for drug merchandising/distribution and the operators are not scared of being caught as it is unlikely. Surprising how these young entrepreneurs catch on to a good thing isn’t it. They’ll be up for election soon. Oh, just a minute....

[markypicks]

when i was a youngster i used to be naughty word scared of the local bobby( not as i used to be in trouble) these days they just get told to naughty word off no justice these days and its going to get worse rgds m

[jackatesme]

I don't think crime has gone down,it's people not reporting a crime that has gone down,as they feel it is pointless. So i feel it is essential that the police are told about anything that you witness and insist that it is noted. Perhaps then someone can give Mrs May a slap across the back of the head and say look at these figures.

[mbev51]

I'm afraid most of our politicians are not fit for purpose, with one or two exemptions. Unfortunately I believe we get what we deserve.

[markypicks]

there was an article in one of the papers last year when a thief broke a window to rob a house the occupants herd him and whilst he was escaping through the same window he gashed his leg open .the thief took them to court and . he got compensation from the owners for loss of earnings .... hows that work for justice rgds mark

[MSS]

Originally Posted by markypicks

when i was a youngster i used to be naughty word scared of the local bobby( not as i used to be in trouble) these days they just get told to naughty word off no justice these days and its going to get worse rgds m

Unfortunately that is now the case with all forms of authority.

[trikey]

We need jails on the same level as Russia, and sentences that fit the crime.

[Darcydog]

In 1900 the prison population was c.17,400

In 2017 it was c.85,700

In relation to the population this was 86/100,000 people in 1900

whilst in 2017 the ratio was 179/100,000 people.

With each prisoner costing (in England and Wales - the cost is significantly more in Scotland and NI) circa £23,000, it would seem that we are good at putting them away - and paying heavily for the privilege.

[topman]

I think those numbers will start to change, there was a speech a while back from the government, they were pretty much going to copy the Scottish model and remove sentences under 12 months as they were felt to be pretty much useless as well as being costly.

[Darcydog]

Originally Posted by topman

I think those numbers will start to change, there was a speech a while back from the government, they were pretty much going to copy the Scottish model and remove sentences under 12 months as they were felt to be pretty much useless as well as being costly.

That would be a positive move TM

With Prisons being little more than Universities of Crime - why send stupid people there? Better to put them to work for Societies benefit rather than deficit.