Failed MOT

milford man · 20th October 2016, 13:39

Failed on front brake pipes. Last year car passed with 2 advisories. Nearside & Offside Brake Pipes Slightly corroded. This year booked it into the same garage. I have been using them for nearly 20 years but when I dropped the car off this morning was greeted by the new owner. Feared the worst.

Just got a phone call your car has failed. He said he hadn't looked at last years MOT until he had failed it. Its failed on the badly corded brake pipes mentioned in the advisory last year. I said it stated slightly not badly. Well its a fail now as they are badly corroded. Not wanting to do the job myself I asked how much. Got a load of waffle about going all round the engine bay into master cylinder and into ABS modulator. Its going to cost you £300 to £350. No its not as I will be doing it myself.

I have the tools and fittings and pipe. How things change.

Regards John

trikey · 20th October 2016, 13:48

Not good, quite a few failures i see can be cleaned up and treated rather than replaced, i have sent two back for retest this last month with cleaned pipes and they have been passed.

Easy money for garages doing brake pipes.

Mickyboy · 20th October 2016, 15:31

Clean them up as said, I too have seen a few failures that when cleaned are passed later

Rev Jules · 20th October 2016, 15:43

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Originally Posted by milford man

Failed on front brake pipes. Last year car passed with 2 advisories. Nearside & Offside Brake Pipes Slightly corroded. This year booked it into the same garage. I have been using them for nearly 20 years but when I dropped the car off this morning was greeted by the new owner. Feared the worst.

Just got a phone call your car has failed. He said he hadn't looked at last years MOT until he had failed it. Its failed on the badly corded brake pipes mentioned in the advisory last year. I said it stated slightly not badly. Well its a fail now as they are badly corroded. Not wanting to do the job myself I asked how much. Got a load of waffle about going all round the engine bay into master cylinder and into ABS modulator. Its going to cost you £300 to £350. No its not as I will be doing it myself.

I have the tools and fittings and pipe. How things change.c

Regards John

Hi John.
If they were an advisory last year, and you have said you have the tools and pipe, why haven't you done it?

Rev

Rooney · 20th October 2016, 17:02

Cost me less than £15 to replace the brake pipes on my tourer.

I'm far from a mechanic but some things are just too simple to be able to justify paying someone else to do.

kbonney88 · 20th October 2016, 17:29

How bad are they - can you clean them as trikey has said? might be worth a go..

Iand as for the garage doing them - I can't see where the justification is for that quote.. the drivers front is a pain on the "V6", but its still not that bad.. alot easier on the diesel.
I have changed all 4 outer pipes on one of my cars this week, but to be fair they did need changing..

so good on you John for doing it yourself if you do change them - it wont take you long and as a result you won't be out of pocket.. nice one..

regards,

Kev

milford man · 20th October 2016, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Rev Jules

Hi John.
If they were an advisory last year, and you have said you have the tools and pipe, why haven't you done it?

Rev

I was going to do them in the summer but ran out of time. I had to rebuild the engine. New pistons and liners.

Regards John

MSS · 20th October 2016, 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by milford man

Failed on front brake pipes. Last year car passed with 2 advisories. Nearside & Offside Brake Pipes Slightly corroded. This year booked it into the same garage. I have been using them for nearly 20 years but when I dropped the car off this morning was greeted by the new owner. Feared the worst.

Just got a phone call your car has failed. He said he hadn't looked at last years MOT until he had failed it. Its failed on the badly corded brake pipes mentioned in the advisory last year. I said it stated slightly not badly. Well its a fail now as they are badly corroded. Not wanting to do the job myself I asked how much. Got a load of waffle about going all round the engine bay into master cylinder and into ABS modulator. Its going to cost you £300 to £350. No its not as I will be doing it myself.

I have the tools and fittings and pipe. How things change.

Regards John

Put yourself in the tester's shoes. He sees a pipe covered in corrosion. He is not allowed to start removing the corrosion. He then has a judgement call to make on the severity of the corrosion and evidently did so based on what he observed.

The statement on last year's MOT about the condition of the pipes is irrelevant this time around, other than being indicative of a possible positive vindication for the current tester's assessment.

The pipes should have been attended to in some way prior to the latest MOT if the aspiration was to achieve a first-time pass.

Look on the bright side - the tester may have saved you or/and another party injury due to brake failure.

COLVERT · 20th October 2016, 20:21

Go for it yourself if you have the tools.

Sometimes if they are easy to get at you can just replace the corroded section,
Depends on what kind of flaring tool you have.

Tiff · 20th October 2016, 21:20

I've failed a few 75's on front brake pipes, then when removing them to fit new ones have been surprised how bad they were. Sometimes a brake pipe can look bad, then when you remove them you are glad you failed them- unseen bits can be totally rotten and ready to fail. Being a tester is a curse sometimes- dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.

To correctly assess the condition of corroded metal brake pipes, surface dirt might have to be removed. This might require light scraping with the Corrosion Assessment Tool ‘spade end’. Care must be taken not to damage any protective coating.
Chafing, corrosion or damage to a rigid brake pipe so that its wall thickness is reduced by 1/3 (e.g. approximately 0.25 mm for typical hydraulic brake pipe) is a reason for rejection.

This is what we are told is the pass/fail criteria. If the pipes are painted,undersealed or hidden, then we have to pass and advise if there is a concern. Brake pipe bursts above a tank, car has an accident with a years MOT on it, we end up in court.

20th October 2016, 13:39	#1
milford man Gets stuck in Jaguar XE Prestige Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Coventry Posts: 540 Thanks: 155 Thanked 109 Times in 101 Posts	Failed MOT Failed on front brake pipes. Last year car passed with 2 advisories. Nearside & Offside Brake Pipes Slightly corroded. This year booked it into the same garage. I have been using them for nearly 20 years but when I dropped the car off this morning was greeted by the new owner. Feared the worst. Just got a phone call your car has failed. He said he hadn't looked at last years MOT until he had failed it. Its failed on the badly corded brake pipes mentioned in the advisory last year. I said it stated slightly not badly. Well its a fail now as they are badly corroded. Not wanting to do the job myself I asked how much. Got a load of waffle about going all round the engine bay into master cylinder and into ABS modulator. Its going to cost you £300 to £350. No its not as I will be doing it myself. I have the tools and fittings and pipe. How things change. Regards John

20th October 2016, 13:48	#2
trikey Premium Trader Rover 75 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 33,792 Thanks: 8,837 Thanked 14,831 Times in 8,030 Posts	Not good, quite a few failures i see can be cleaned up and treated rather than replaced, i have sent two back for retest this last month with cleaned pipes and they have been passed. Easy money for garages doing brake pipes. __________________ Lest we forget..

20th October 2016, 15:31	#3
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20th October 2016, 21:20	#10
Tiff Regular poster 75 saloon Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Kirkcaldy Posts: 50 Thanks: 55 Thanked 22 Times in 18 Posts	I've failed a few 75's on front brake pipes, then when removing them to fit new ones have been surprised how bad they were. Sometimes a brake pipe can look bad, then when you remove them you are glad you failed them- unseen bits can be totally rotten and ready to fail. Being a tester is a curse sometimes- dammed if you do, dammed if you don't. To correctly assess the condition of corroded metal brake pipes, surface dirt might have to be removed. This might require light scraping with the Corrosion Assessment Tool ‘spade end’. Care must be taken not to damage any protective coating. Chafing, corrosion or damage to a rigid brake pipe so that its wall thickness is reduced by 1/3 (e.g. approximately 0.25 mm for typical hydraulic brake pipe) is a reason for rejection. This is what we are told is the pass/fail criteria. If the pipes are painted,undersealed or hidden, then we have to pass and advise if there is a concern. Brake pipe bursts above a tank, car has an accident with a years MOT on it, we end up in court. __________________ This vehicle was the 70,066th 75 to run off the production line, out of 112,381 This vehicle was the 2,518th 75 2.5 V6 Connoisseur SE to be made out of 3,671 This vehicle was the 5th 75 in MIRAGE 2 (Chromescent) (code: IAU) to be made out of 17 MIRAGE 2 (Chromescent) 75's Last edited by Tiff; 20th October 2016 at 21:38..

20th October 2016, 17:02	#5
Rooney Suspended MG ZT 135+ Rover 75 CDTi Tourer, 75 2.5 V6 Saloon Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: County Antrim Posts: 2,027 Thanks: 835 Thanked 882 Times in 557 Posts	Cost me less than £15 to replace the brake pipes on my tourer. I'm far from a mechanic but some things are just too simple to be able to justify paying someone else to do.

20th October 2016, 17:29	#6
kbonney88 I really should get out more....... Rover 75 Tourer & 75 Saloons Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Perth/Glasgow Scotland Posts: 2,313 Thanks: 804 Thanked 656 Times in 512 Posts	How bad are they - can you clean them as trikey has said? might be worth a go.. Iand as for the garage doing them - I can't see where the justification is for that quote.. the drivers front is a pain on the "V6", but its still not that bad.. alot easier on the diesel. I have changed all 4 outer pipes on one of my cars this week, but to be fair they did need changing.. so good on you John for doing it yourself if you do change them - it wont take you long and as a result you won't be out of pocket.. nice one.. regards, Kev

20th October 2016, 20:21	#9
COLVERT This is my second home R75 Saloon. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France/or Devon. Posts: 14,003 Thanks: 3,851 Thanked 2,167 Times in 1,816 Posts	Go for it yourself if you have the tools. Sometimes if they are easy to get at you can just replace the corroded section, Depends on what kind of flaring tool you have.