gearbox/clutch or drive train? :( - Page 2

Mgaz · 28th March 2018, 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by klarzy

As MR is no more.... good luck with that.....

Obviously..

But surely there is some responsibility to have repaired the vehicle to a good standard from the MG garage last year and to expect the car to still be in good working order ?

Especially when the bill was £900 odd... ?

Mgaz · 28th March 2018, 23:21

Any kind souls want to give me some mechanical help with this?

Im pretty gutted tbh.

One of the reasons i drove so far for this car was because all the clutch related jobs had recently been done..

Fell in love with it the moment i saw it.

But now i don't know what to do.. Really don't want to give up on it so soon.

klarzy · 28th March 2018, 23:23

Afaik there are vendors on here that fit a clutch for less than half that...

Ravinder · 28th March 2018, 23:52

Ask one of the specialists on the forum to have a look at it for you. Perhaps, member trikey. I don’t think he’s too far from you...?

The gear selector is a separate issue. Usually, if you’re gear selectors are broken, the gear stick will be all floppy either up and down the way or right to left, depending on which one has broken, if any. That can also cause the gear to be stuck.

Bit, from what you describe, it sounds like perhaps failure in one of the slave cylinders. Get underneath the car and check the little hole, bell housing of where the gearbox is. Is it wet or do you have any leaks? If so, that’s your slave cylinder away. Could also be the master as well as mentioned already. The clutches on these cars wear no different to any other car. The system is a little complicated. If it has gone again, it’s most likely down to bad workmanship...

Mike Noc · 29th March 2018, 07:31

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Originally Posted by Ravinder

The clutches on these cars wear no different to any other car.

If only Rav, if only.

The original slave cylinders are built own to a price, and rarely last the lifetime of the clutch plate. One area where Rover really let themselves down in my humble opinion.

When I replaced the clutch on my Dad's Astra, the slave cylinder looked a far more substantial part - and the reason the clutch was being changed was that the plate had worn out.

Riding the clutch, or a poor fitting technique can account for many early failures, but even when fitted and used correctly, they don't last as long as they should.

Wouldn't have been a problem if they were fitted externally to the box with an operating pivot arm - took me less than 5 minutes to change one on a Mitsubishi, but when a concentric cylinder is fitted, and the gearbox has to come out to replace it, then it should outlast the lifetime of the wearable bit -the clutch plate.

Mgaz · 29th March 2018, 08:56

Yes...as I've noticed, looking through the history it seems the slave has been replaced many times.

As too the clutch.

Last thing I want to do is get it fixed only for it to go again 5 minutes down the road.

It's quite a disheartening thought.

Will get the under tray off and have a good nose.

There does seem to be oil residue on the top of the bellhousing. Dunno if it's related.

Is there anyway of fitting a remote slave cylinder outside of the bell housing?

I will also check master cylinder. Is it under the drivers footwell somewhere?

Cheers

neilll · 29th March 2018, 08:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Noc

If only Rav, if only.

The original slave cylinders are built own to a price, and rarely last the lifetime of the clutch plate. One area where Rover really let themselves down in my humble opinion.

When I replaced the clutch on my Dad's Astra, the slave cylinder looked a far more substantial part - and the reason the clutch was being changed was that the plate had worn out.

Riding the clutch, or a poor fitting technique can account for many early failures, but even when fitted and used correctly, they don't last as long as they should.

Wouldn't have been a problem if they were fitted externally to the box with an operating pivot arm - took me less than 5 minutes to change one on a Mitsubishi, but when a concentric cylinder is fitted, and the gearbox has to come out to replace it, then it should outlast the lifetime of the wearable bit -the clutch plate.

Hi Mike,
Must agree with Rav as in my case the clutch gave way at around 100,000 miles (I`m happy about that) the slave was fine although I had it replaced with the metal one (jury out on these at the moment). The master went about 12 months before and was replaced with the original Luk type (nearly went with the metal one but after reading about peoples problems decided against it!).
What was wrong with the cable operated clutches that were fitted to the escorts (MK II) back in the day? These could be changed by almost anyone within half an hour!
Neil

Mgaz · 29th March 2018, 09:08

Something I was also wondering.. Does the 190 have a different clutch to the other cars? To cope with the extra power?

Could a lesser model clutch have been fitted causing an issue?

Mike Noc · 29th March 2018, 09:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilll

Hi Mike,
Must agree with Rav as in my case the clutch gave way at around 100,000 miles (I`m happy about that) the slave was fine although I had it replaced with the metal one (jury out on these at the moment). The master went about 12 months before and was replaced with the original Luk type (nearly went with the metal one but after reading about peoples problems decided against it!).
What was wrong with the cable operated clutches that were fitted to the escorts (MK II) back in the day? These could be changed by almost anyone within half an hour!
Neil

The component design life was 150k miles though Neilll, although I agree that the clutch plate itself can wear out earlier depending on driving style and use.

I have never worn a clutch plate out on my car - in fact the last time the slave went and the whole clutch was replaced, the plate was well within wear limits to be re-used according to the Land Rover specifications in RAVE, so it is now in my Freelander after the slave cylinder bought the farm.

When I was in the coach game back in the day we replaced many clutch plates, but hardly ever changed a slave cylinder, as they were built to last.

Shame Rover didn't produce one like that.

EastPete · 29th March 2018, 10:13

My first car, a Morris Minor, just had a threaded rod link between the clutch pedal and the arm on the side of the gearbox that operated the release/thrust bearing. I remember this breaking once - it cost 75 pence to replace and about 10 minutes to fit. A bit easier than a Rover 75 slave !

Seriously though, the original AP slaves can last quite well if driven well and not abused - my first 75 CDT went to the scrappy at 150,000 miles still on all the original clutch components. The problem is the poor quality of the replacement parts now available, and poor fitting technique when clutches are replaced. The metal slave now seems to have some issues, so it is difficult to know which replacement parts to choose when changing the clutch on a75. My current recommendation would be a Borg and Beck 2 part clutch kit with a Delphi/AP slave, but we have had limited feedback on here regarding the currently available Delphi/AP slave item.

Pete

28th March 2018, 23:21	#12
Mgaz Gets stuck in MG ZT190, MG ZS TD, MGF VVC, R200 TD bubble, Austin A35 Join Date: May 2017 Location: shrewsbury Posts: 648 Thanks: 530 Thanked 82 Times in 56 Posts	Any kind souls want to give me some mechanical help with this? Im pretty gutted tbh. One of the reasons i drove so far for this car was because all the clutch related jobs had recently been done.. Fell in love with it the moment i saw it. But now i don't know what to do.. Really don't want to give up on it so soon. __________________ They say you should never meet your Idols. Well.... you know that car you always wanted? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGx...zZeAsYRU9aZu-A ^Be kind, Subscribe^ (MGR videos )

28th March 2018, 23:23	#13
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28th March 2018, 23:52	#14
Ravinder This is my second home Rover 75 saloon x2, Rover 75 Tourer x2, Rover 220 Coupe Turbo Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kirkcaldy, Fife Posts: 9,036 Thanks: 2,278 Thanked 2,852 Times in 1,718 Posts	Ask one of the specialists on the forum to have a look at it for you. Perhaps, member trikey. I don’t think he’s too far from you...? The gear selector is a separate issue. Usually, if you’re gear selectors are broken, the gear stick will be all floppy either up and down the way or right to left, depending on which one has broken, if any. That can also cause the gear to be stuck. Bit, from what you describe, it sounds like perhaps failure in one of the slave cylinders. Get underneath the car and check the little hole, bell housing of where the gearbox is. Is it wet or do you have any leaks? If so, that’s your slave cylinder away. Could also be the master as well as mentioned already. The clutches on these cars wear no different to any other car. The system is a little complicated. If it has gone again, it’s most likely down to bad workmanship... __________________ Wanted - Indian bride. Cash waiting. (All sorted - bargain) First name and forum name: Ravinder Rover 75 2.0 CDT Connoisseur SE 116 (160 remap) Royal Blue (JFM) This vehicle was the 50,481st 75 to run off the production line, out of 112,381 This vehicle was the 2,238th 75 CDT Connoisseur SE to be made out of 3,775 This vehicle was the 5,002nd 75 in Royal Blue (code: JFM) to be made out of 14,420 Royal Blue 75s

29th March 2018, 08:56	#16
Mgaz Gets stuck in MG ZT190, MG ZS TD, MGF VVC, R200 TD bubble, Austin A35 Join Date: May 2017 Location: shrewsbury Posts: 648 Thanks: 530 Thanked 82 Times in 56 Posts	Yes...as I've noticed, looking through the history it seems the slave has been replaced many times. As too the clutch. Last thing I want to do is get it fixed only for it to go again 5 minutes down the road. It's quite a disheartening thought. Will get the under tray off and have a good nose. There does seem to be oil residue on the top of the bellhousing. Dunno if it's related. Is there anyway of fitting a remote slave cylinder outside of the bell housing? I will also check master cylinder. Is it under the drivers footwell somewhere? Cheers __________________ They say you should never meet your Idols. Well.... you know that car you always wanted? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGx...zZeAsYRU9aZu-A ^Be kind, Subscribe^ (MGR videos )

29th March 2018, 09:08	#18
Mgaz Gets stuck in MG ZT190, MG ZS TD, MGF VVC, R200 TD bubble, Austin A35 Join Date: May 2017 Location: shrewsbury Posts: 648 Thanks: 530 Thanked 82 Times in 56 Posts	Something I was also wondering.. Does the 190 have a different clutch to the other cars? To cope with the extra power? Could a lesser model clutch have been fitted causing an issue? __________________ They say you should never meet your Idols. Well.... you know that car you always wanted? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGx...zZeAsYRU9aZu-A ^Be kind, Subscribe^ (MGR videos )

29th March 2018, 10:13	#20
EastPete Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDTi Classic saloon, MGB GT, Skoda Yeti Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ramsey, Cambs Posts: 1,874 Thanks: 626 Thanked 635 Times in 430 Posts	My first car, a Morris Minor, just had a threaded rod link between the clutch pedal and the arm on the side of the gearbox that operated the release/thrust bearing. I remember this breaking once - it cost 75 pence to replace and about 10 minutes to fit. A bit easier than a Rover 75 slave ! Seriously though, the original AP slaves can last quite well if driven well and not abused - my first 75 CDT went to the scrappy at 150,000 miles still on all the original clutch components. The problem is the poor quality of the replacement parts now available, and poor fitting technique when clutches are replaced. The metal slave now seems to have some issues, so it is difficult to know which replacement parts to choose when changing the clutch on a75. My current recommendation would be a Borg and Beck 2 part clutch kit with a Delphi/AP slave, but we have had limited feedback on here regarding the currently available Delphi/AP slave item. Pete