A word of warning!

Mike Trident · 5th December 2017, 00:02

On Saturday morning I received though the post a "Notice of intended prosecution" for speeding. The notice said that I was caught on the M1 last Wednesday doing 90 MPH when the limit was 70 MPH.

I was indeed on the M1 on that day and time but I just couldn't believe I was caught doing 90. My wife was with me and she was shocked too, I never drive above 70, and nearly always have the cruise control set at 70. I really began questioning this 90 MPH, did I override the cruise at any point? But at the end of the day I figured I must have, I mean they have photographic evidence.

I mentioned the Notice to a friend of mine who thought I was joking, "you? 90 lol" he said. He then said, "you can view the photo on line if you want to". I just dismissed his comment and went home.

Later I was filling in the paperwork when I remembered what my friend had said about viewing the picture. At first I just thought "what's the point, it will just be a picture of the rear end of my car". I don't know why, but I thought, "oh go on then, let's have a look". I was gobsmacked when I looked at the photo. Yes. my car was in the photo, but my car was in the slow lane (lane 1), I was being overtaken by a car that was moving from lane 3 to lane 4 to pass a few cars up front. This car was positioned between the two radar lines and was circled. (I had a good look on the internet. The latest cameras used on smart motorways, don't use white lines painted on the road. These cameras scan all lanes of the motorway and if triggered show the offending vehicle between two radar lines and circled) So surely this other car was the car doing 90mph and not me???

I phoned department that issued the notice as soon as they opened on monday morning, and asked the question. "is the offending car shown between 2 lines and circled?" The man I spoke to was very nice but wouldn't really answer anything until he had taken my Ref number. He then said to me "is your car reg WR----C ?" I answered "yes". He then said "You are nowhere near, there as obviously been a problem here". He was very apologetic as you can imagine, and said that the notice of intent would be cancelled immediately. There would be a letter of apology sent out straight away.

My point on this is that if you ever receive a Notice for speeding, please have a good look at the photographic evidence. I came very close to posting back the notice and taking the punishment for something I hadn't done.

Arctic · 5th December 2017, 00:11

Hi Mike.
Maybe your friend could be getting a wee dram for xmas from you

do you have a link on how to view these photo's on line, or can you only view if you have bee issued with a notice ?

Jakg · 5th December 2017, 00:23

You don't normally have the option to view the photos.

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q206.htm

Mike Trident · 5th December 2017, 07:07

On the notice, it says " for further information or to see the evidence for this offence follow the link". You have to follow a link and enter your ref number and a pin number. You have to enter quite a lot of info, and you have to be the driver. So it's for the driver to view only, not for the general public. Data protection and all that.

I only managed to find one photo taken from the HADECS3 variable speed camera on the internet.

http://forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversio...hp/t97259.html

The offending car is pretty obvious, but in my photo the circled car between the lines wasn't mine. I was driving like captain slow in the first lane lol. In fact, when I looked on google earth to see exactly where the speed camera was. I was approaching the junction that I was leaving the motorway from, so I was probably doing about 60 mph.

ChestersDad · 6th December 2017, 08:22

Thanks for posting Mike - very sobering! (Worrying!)
So much for technology (again) .....

rustymotor · 6th December 2017, 08:36

That's amazing, wonder how often this happening

Dallas · 6th December 2017, 09:43

Thanks Mike for the heads-up, and well done to your friend for making you aware of viewing the photo online.

This is another case of new technology that fails to work, this is what happens when these organisations keep trying to reinvent the wheel.

mileshawk56 · 7th December 2017, 02:06

That was a near one, there but for the grace of God go many. I think that needs wider circulation than just these pages- National/motoring press particularly the fact that its not straightforward to use the checking means mentioned. Chris S.

oswestryalex · 7th December 2017, 22:46

Yes, pass this on to Quentin Wilson and his crew who campaign for all things car oriented.

Mike Trident · 8th December 2017, 01:56

I received an apology letter, but it was carefully worded so it was non-specific as to the clerical error.

It basically said that I had been in touch and what I had said had been noted. Enquiries had been made with regard to this matter it appears a clerical error had been made.

I was just glad it was sorted, with my licence intact. 90 MPH is bordering on ban territory.

5th December 2017, 00:02	#1
Mike Trident Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDTi Saloon & Citroen C1 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Oakenshaw, Near Bradford Posts: 1,622 Thanks: 385 Thanked 552 Times in 328 Posts	A word of warning! On Saturday morning I received though the post a "Notice of intended prosecution" for speeding. The notice said that I was caught on the M1 last Wednesday doing 90 MPH when the limit was 70 MPH. I was indeed on the M1 on that day and time but I just couldn't believe I was caught doing 90. My wife was with me and she was shocked too, I never drive above 70, and nearly always have the cruise control set at 70. I really began questioning this 90 MPH, did I override the cruise at any point? But at the end of the day I figured I must have, I mean they have photographic evidence. I mentioned the Notice to a friend of mine who thought I was joking, "you? 90 lol" he said. He then said, "you can view the photo on line if you want to". I just dismissed his comment and went home. Later I was filling in the paperwork when I remembered what my friend had said about viewing the picture. At first I just thought "what's the point, it will just be a picture of the rear end of my car". I don't know why, but I thought, "oh go on then, let's have a look". I was gobsmacked when I looked at the photo. Yes. my car was in the photo, but my car was in the slow lane (lane 1), I was being overtaken by a car that was moving from lane 3 to lane 4 to pass a few cars up front. This car was positioned between the two radar lines and was circled. (I had a good look on the internet. The latest cameras used on smart motorways, don't use white lines painted on the road. These cameras scan all lanes of the motorway and if triggered show the offending vehicle between two radar lines and circled) So surely this other car was the car doing 90mph and not me??? I phoned department that issued the notice as soon as they opened on monday morning, and asked the question. "is the offending car shown between 2 lines and circled?" The man I spoke to was very nice but wouldn't really answer anything until he had taken my Ref number. He then said to me "is your car reg WR----C ?" I answered "yes". He then said "You are nowhere near, there as obviously been a problem here". He was very apologetic as you can imagine, and said that the notice of intent would be cancelled immediately. There would be a letter of apology sent out straight away. My point on this is that if you ever receive a Notice for speeding, please have a good look at the photographic evidence. I came very close to posting back the notice and taking the punishment for something I hadn't done. __________________ Rover 75 2.0 CDTi (131Ps) Conn SE Saloon. (Manual) 160 Remap, cruise control, electric window blind, temp gauge, Real walnut / ZT interior, FBH with GSM control. BORN Tuesday, 5th October 2004 @ 12:35:52 This vehicle was the 104,679th 75 to run off the production line, out of 112,381 This vehicle was the 3,318th 75 CDT Connoisseur SE (135) to be made out of 4,744 This vehicle was the 12,440th 75 in Starlight Silver (code: MBB) to be made out of 14,280 Starlight Silver 75s Last edited by Mike Trident; 5th December 2017 at 00:05..

5th December 2017, 00:11	#2
Arctic Give to Learn Freelander 2 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: West Midlands Posts: 18,699 Thanks: 1,155 Thanked 6,407 Times in 3,874 Posts	Hi Mike. Maybe your friend could be getting a wee dram for xmas from you do you have a link on how to view these photo's on line, or can you only view if you have bee issued with a notice ? __________________ Arctic Givology Learn to Give Everything is Achievable ad altiora tendo. Check out our Nano meet dates http://www.midlandsnanomeets.co.uk/ http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/index.php?thepage=howto " You do the work , we supply the expertise "

5th December 2017, 07:07	#4
Mike Trident Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDTi Saloon & Citroen C1 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Oakenshaw, Near Bradford Posts: 1,622 Thanks: 385 Thanked 552 Times in 328 Posts	On the notice, it says " for further information or to see the evidence for this offence follow the link". You have to follow a link and enter your ref number and a pin number. You have to enter quite a lot of info, and you have to be the driver. So it's for the driver to view only, not for the general public. Data protection and all that. I only managed to find one photo taken from the HADECS3 variable speed camera on the internet. http://forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversio...hp/t97259.html The offending car is pretty obvious, but in my photo the circled car between the lines wasn't mine. I was driving like captain slow in the first lane lol. In fact, when I looked on google earth to see exactly where the speed camera was. I was approaching the junction that I was leaving the motorway from, so I was probably doing about 60 mph. __________________ Rover 75 2.0 CDTi (131Ps) Conn SE Saloon. (Manual) 160 Remap, cruise control, electric window blind, temp gauge, Real walnut / ZT interior, FBH with GSM control. BORN Tuesday, 5th October 2004 @ 12:35:52 This vehicle was the 104,679th 75 to run off the production line, out of 112,381 This vehicle was the 3,318th 75 CDT Connoisseur SE (135) to be made out of 4,744 This vehicle was the 12,440th 75 in Starlight Silver (code: MBB) to be made out of 14,280 Starlight Silver 75s Last edited by Mike Trident; 5th December 2017 at 07:14..

6th December 2017, 08:22	#5
ChestersDad Still 75less :-( 1988 Defender 90 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Carmarthenshire Posts: 531 Thanks: 15 Thanked 93 Times in 37 Posts	Thanks for posting Mike - very sobering! (Worrying!) So much for technology (again) ..... __________________ Don't save for the future as someone else will lose it for you!

8th December 2017, 01:56	#10
Mike Trident Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDTi Saloon & Citroen C1 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Oakenshaw, Near Bradford Posts: 1,622 Thanks: 385 Thanked 552 Times in 328 Posts	I received an apology letter, but it was carefully worded so it was non-specific as to the clerical error. It basically said that I had been in touch and what I had said had been noted. Enquiries had been made with regard to this matter it appears a clerical error had been made. I was just glad it was sorted, with my licence intact. 90 MPH is bordering on ban territory. __________________ Rover 75 2.0 CDTi (131Ps) Conn SE Saloon. (Manual) 160 Remap, cruise control, electric window blind, temp gauge, Real walnut / ZT interior, FBH with GSM control. BORN Tuesday, 5th October 2004 @ 12:35:52 This vehicle was the 104,679th 75 to run off the production line, out of 112,381 This vehicle was the 3,318th 75 CDT Connoisseur SE (135) to be made out of 4,744 This vehicle was the 12,440th 75 in Starlight Silver (code: MBB) to be made out of 14,280 Starlight Silver 75s

5th December 2017, 00:23	#3
Jakg This is my second home N/A Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 6,867 Thanks: 0 Thanked 397 Times in 302 Posts	You don't normally have the option to view the photos. https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q206.htm

6th December 2017, 08:36	#6
rustymotor Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: May 2017 Location: Hull Posts: 1,848 Thanks: 216 Thanked 432 Times in 340 Posts	That's amazing, wonder how often this happening

6th December 2017, 09:43	#7
Dallas This is my second home 1979 Capri 1.6L, 1982 Capri 1.6L, 2016 Dacia Stepway Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dorset Posts: 8,595 Thanks: 3,496 Thanked 3,397 Times in 2,218 Posts	Thanks Mike for the heads-up, and well done to your friend for making you aware of viewing the photo online. This is another case of new technology that fails to work, this is what happens when these organisations keep trying to reinvent the wheel.

7th December 2017, 02:06	#8
mileshawk56 Posted a thing or two MGZT Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Berkshire Posts: 1,281 Thanks: 1,738 Thanked 299 Times in 216 Posts	That was a near one, there but for the grace of God go many. I think that needs wider circulation than just these pages- National/motoring press particularly the fact that its not straightforward to use the checking means mentioned. Chris S.

7th December 2017, 22:46	#9
oswestryalex Loves to post Rover 75 1.8T connoisseur saloon 2003 in blue , MG ZT 190+ 2003 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oswestry Posts: 308 Thanks: 159 Thanked 99 Times in 57 Posts	Yes, pass this on to Quentin Wilson and his crew who campaign for all things car oriented.