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Old 9th January 2019, 08:49   #1
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Anyone else watching (watched) the item about repairing broken electronic stuff rather than throwing it away?

Apparently new items aren't lasting as long as they used to......

And parts are difficult/impossible to obtain - manufacturers seem to be "restricting" supply along with little or no service information and sealed units that cannot be accessed.

Shock, horror, apparently it's not environmentally friendly to make new stuff rather then mend older stuff....

Sound familiar?

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Anyone else watching (watched) the item about repairing broken electronic stuff rather than throwing it away?

Apparently new items aren't lasting as long as they used to......

And parts are difficult/impossible to obtain - manufacturers seem to be "restricting" supply along with little or no service information and sealed units that cannot be accessed.

Shock, horror, apparently it's not environmentally friendly to make new stuff rather then mend older stuff....

Sound familiar?

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Yes I've just watched it, I wonder if they could have found anyone any more "geeky" to interview than the couple on the sofa?

I have the workshop manual for a 1982 ZX Spectrum if anyone needs to see if their ZTX650 is in good order though

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I watched it as well. It's been going on a while, I've seen a few workshops like that where people bring in things to be repaired.

There's also plenty of videos online about repair household items, I've used a few to repair a phone, washing machine etc.

Only problem with this is people want cheap electrical items, yet ones that are repairable. Unfortunately you can't have both. Designing it so it can repaired and carrying lots of spares all costs money.
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There's also plenty of videos online about repair household items, I've used a few to repair a phone, washing machine etc.

Only problem with this is people want cheap electrical items, yet ones that are repairable. Unfortunately you can't have both. Designing it so it can repaired and carrying lots of spares all costs money.

Erm....

What stops something being both repairable and cheap?

Surely if it can be put together it should be able to be taken apart again?

Or am I missing something fundamental here?

It's got to be simply daft to throw away say, a washing machine, because the brushes need changing in the motor or a simple bearing needs replacing. Or a TV because a control module has packed up.

Maybe manufacturers should publish the design life of their product(s) and be liable for failures.

We, the consumer, could then make a genuinely informed decision about whether to spend, say, £300 on an item which is designed (and no quibble guaranteed) to last 3 years or say £400 on one designed to last 5 years.

As has been mentioned elsewhere a full, thorough, cradle to grave environmental (not £££'s cost) impact assessment would make for interesting reading.

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So ‘being green’ is what it’s all about. How? Surely it not only cheaper and more ‘friendy’ To the poor environment to repair rather than throw away? Perhaps not if you are a greedy so and so and want to make money out of selling substandard items. They must be substandard if they do not last as long as they used to.The Programme RIP Off Britain comes to mind. Shame on manufacturers of second rate items. As an aside. We have an electric dryer that is 45 years old, Hotpoint, and it is used even now every other day in winter, and has been used excessively over the years when we have visitors staying from Germany and here. Never even changed a belt on it, just look after it, like my car.
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Erm....

What stops something being both repairable and cheap?

Surely if it can be put together it should be able to be taken apart again?

Or am I missing something fundamental here?

It's got to be simply daft to throw away say, a washing machine, because the brushes need changing in the motor or a simple bearing needs replacing. Or a TV because a control module has packed up.

Maybe manufacturers should publish the design life of their product(s) and be liable for failures.

We, the consumer, could then make a genuinely informed decision about whether to spend, say, £300 on an item which is designed (and no quibble guaranteed) to last 3 years or say £400 on one designed to last 5 years.

As has been mentioned elsewhere a full, thorough, cradle to grave environmental (not £££'s cost) impact assessment would make for interesting reading.

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It costs more money to design to be repairable rather than just a molded/sealed unit. All the spares you want over the years cost money to store, have catalogues etc.
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Yes I've just watched it, I wonder if they could have found anyone any more "geeky" to interview than the couple on the sofa?

I have the workshop manual for a 1982 ZX Spectrum if anyone needs to see if their ZTX650 is in good order though

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Hi Brian. I have still got the works manual for the Austin Westminster A90 I had during the ice age. Also one for the Daimler V8 250 Saloon I had in the 70’s.When the grandson saw them, he said he did not know they made cars then. Lol
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Regarding products today, it is all about built-in obsolescence. They are only designed to last x years (typically 5-6 tops) so that manufacturers can generate new sales. Manufacturers donít want products to last a lifetime.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46807198

Here's the follow up article.
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