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Old 18th January 2019, 09:33   #11
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Was it not Top Gear who crash tested 4WD and found them to be less safe than normal saloon cars
Too "educational" for Top Gear! It was Fifth Gear Les. Did one between an older MPV and older Range Rover, the Range Rover came off worst with the passenger cabin badly deformed.

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Old 18th January 2019, 10:24   #12
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No, neither am I 97 years old



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Old 18th January 2019, 14:12   #13
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as so many of us do not own 4x4's we could have answered that. Particularly those of us that ride bicycles and motor cycles

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Well I feel better on my missus x5 with my 5 year old in the back.at least with a side impact we would all be safer as a 4x4 is higher up.also these x5s handle like cars imo.


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Old 18th January 2019, 14:34   #15
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Old 18th January 2019, 14:35   #16
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No, neither am I 97 years old
Presumably 97 year old individuals are both physically and mentally healthy enough to be in control of a 4x4 or whatever, at least it is hoped that that is the case, I doubt it!.
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Old 18th January 2019, 14:43   #17
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Couldn't agree more Jim, these SUV designs are very vulnerable to flipping over.

Youtube and the like are full of video clips of accidents where they flip, some surprisingly easily.

Worryingly they advertise these style of cars as great for families.
in my opinion these so called 4x4s SUVs etc have no place on our busy congested and not fit for purpose roads, drivers choosing to have these, clearly for the no other reason than to compensate for other deficiencies should be taxed heavily, and be able to pass a special driving test, in any case ALL drivers should have to take a mandatory retest every 5 years for their health and safety, and not forgetting training purposes. The driving test in the UK is far too simple now, I mean no motorway training whatever, that is ridiculous.!!
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Old 18th January 2019, 14:45   #18
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All vehicles will flip over if given the right circumstances, cars turn over as much as 4x4's/SUV's do. Cars tend to be involved in more accidents due to speed being the biggest factor, excessive speed will easily flip a car over. You stand a better chance of survival in a large vehicle than a small flimsy eurobox if involved in a collision, that is my belief.

When my daughters were born I went straight out and bought the missus a 4x4 for them all to drive around in. I bought a 3.0ltr ISUZU Tropper LWB, and YES! the wife was the typical women driver in a 4x4 doing the school run as they do, and I wouldn't have had it any other way.

A few weeks after my second daughter was born a silly young girl who had just passed her test drove straight into the side of the 4x4, she drove right into the rear quarter panel just where my few week old daughter was sat in her car seat asleep. The height and strength of the 4x4 actually saved my daughters life, the lower half of the 4x4 took the impact while my daughter was sitting safe and sound away from the crush/impact (the young girls car was a write-off).

We continued to buy 4x4's for another 10 years, Shogun, Pajero's, Hi-Lux Surf, Frontera and even a Ford Maverick. We eventually moved on to MPV's all due to the bad press 4x4's were getting at the time, especially those with front bull-bars.

We would move back to a 4x4 in a blink of an eye if it were not for the expensive running costs, many times we talk about getting a Land Rover or a Range Rover, and we may well do if I get my way. Currently our Dacia Stepway mini SUV with its 900cc 3 pot engine and £30 a year tax is what the wife wants, but when she wants something different, that is when I step in and will most probably say 'Range Rover'.

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Old 18th January 2019, 15:59   #19
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4x4's are high up,therefore, the car weight is higher off the ground and IMO more prone to be pushed over especially in a high speed collision.
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in my opinion these so called 4x4s SUVs etc have no place on our busy congested and not fit for purpose roads, drivers choosing to have these, clearly for the no other reason than to compensate for other deficiencies should be taxed heavily, and be able to pass a special driving test, in any case ALL drivers should have to take a mandatory retest every 5 years for their health and safety, and not forgetting training purposes. The driving test in the UK is far too simple now, I mean no motorway training whatever, that is ridiculous.!!
Shouldn't you be driving a Smart car?
No place for big Rover 75 saloons and estate cars on our busy, congested and not fit for purpose roads
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