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Old 6th December 2020, 16:57   #11
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You shouldn't have a push in the back if the car is working as it should, the stock turbo spins up that quick the power should be smooth and taper off around 3750rpm when the turbo runs out of puff. Sounds like you had a faulty MAF.

There are different remaps available, the only thing I can say is, if you have a "160" map put on, have the car put on a dyno afterwards and see what the real number is. Drop a PM to SewerMan on here, he has experienced the "160" maps and beskpoke remaps.

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Slightly more power than a stock 131
No smoke at all

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There are maps that can achieve more power, without smoke if the EGR, Manifold and Intercooler are clean.

If you fancy the drive to Cannock I can plug the T4 in and give the car a health check.

Reading the original post properly is probably better than jumping in feet first


The OP owned a car previously which had been XPower upgraded, so 129 BHP, not unlike my own.


He then went on to say his previous car gave you a kick in the pants over a certain rev range which you said would be likely a MAF sensor fault, well that might be the case, it certainly wasn't when it came to my car though it was a defective EGR causing the fault, which was masked when unplugging the MAF sensor.


So after this fault was diagnosed correctly by someone with a lot of experience of these cars, the symptoms all disappeared when I took the garage's advice as to the root cause.


My car now runs beautifully with smooth power delivery across the rev range, a bit like the OP's new car.


So digging a little deeper you will find the new car was previously looked after by Phil-T4, a man with some standing on the forum, so it's quite likely the OP's car has had Phil's expert eye cast over it, and the usual foibles of the diesel sorted out.


Now to the slightly distasteful aspect of this post, and it would appear many others that you make, every time a thread like this is posted on the forum, you immediately jump in with how wonderful your product is as compared to another.


This smacks of desperate marketing, something that should be avoided at all costs.


When I visit a pub or club to speak to the landlord about siting my equipment I never under any circumstances decry the incumbent supplier irrespective of poor service, poor quality equipment etc.


What you find if you do, then people will often question your intent.


Now I'm not saying this will be the case always, but if it is then word will travel quickly within the licenced trade.


Back to the here and now, this forum is a very intimate environment in as much as many of your prospective customers will be members here, and by usage of marketing strategies that are so obviously biased against your competition then you are likely to be judged upon those actions.


I have no axe to grind either way, I have no intention whatsoever of having my car upgraded, be that a 160 remap, or a custom remap as I'm perfectly happy with the car as it came from the factory.


However if I were, I would not be making use of the services offered by a trader that uses a policy of talking down the opposition in favour of their own product




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Old 6th December 2020, 17:07   #12
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Reading the original post properly is probably better than jumping in feet first


The OP owned a car previously which had been XPower upgraded, so 129 BHP, not unlike my own.


He then went on to say his previous car gave you a kick in the pants over a certain rev range which you said would be likely a MAF sensor fault, well that might be the case, it certainly wasn't when it came to my car though it was a defective EGR causing the fault, which was masked when unplugging the MAF sensor.


So after this fault was diagnosed correctly by someone with a lot of experience of these cars, the symptoms all disappeared when I took the garage's advice as to the root cause.


My car now runs beautifully with smooth power delivery across the rev range, a bit like the OP's new car.


So digging a little deeper you will find the new car was previously looked after by Phil-T4, a man with some standing on the forum, so it's quite likely the OP's car has had Phil's expert eye cast over it, and the usual foibles of the diesel sorted out.


Now to the slightly distasteful aspect of this post, and it would appear many others that you make, every time a thread like this is posted on the forum, you immediately jump in with how wonderful your product is as compared to another.


This smacks of desperate marketing, something that should be avoided at all costs.


When I visit a pub or club to speak to the landlord about siting my equipment I never under any circumstances decry the incumbent supplier irrespective of poor service, poor quality equipment etc.


What you find if you do, then people will often question your intent.


Now I'm not saying this will be the case always, but if it is then word will travel quickly within the licenced trade.


Back to the here and now, this forum is a very intimate environment in as much as many of your prospective customers will be members here, and by usage of marketing strategies that are so obviously biased against your competition then you are likely to be judged upon those actions.


I have no axe to grind either way, I have no intention whatsoever of having my car upgraded, be that a 160 remap, or a custom remap as I'm perfectly happy with the car as it came from the factory.


However if I were, I would not be making use of the services offered by a trader that uses a policy of talking down the opposition in favour of their own product




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Have a 160 map and have a dyno run and you will see why I mention it. There isn't enough fuelling to produce 160bhp. If you've no intention of having of a map, then why bother commenting? I now have access to a dyno and can produce the results of a a 160 mapped car, and then it returned to a stock map with the T4. I could post the results but will people believe me? I doubt it. How about I make an offer, someone with a 160 mapped car can have a free dyno run and have a printout of the power, that way I can't have anything to do with the map and it will be a randomers car.

The 160 map is better than stock, and it isn't a bad map, it will do for most people, I'm just saying that there are more powerful maps out there. If you want a moderate increase of driveability, go for it. If you want maximum power (which some people don't want) then there are other maps available.

Feel free to come to a Nano meet when they are back on if you wish to speak to me in person, I can show you how remapping works and the values that are altered and what things can be altered in a map.

You've mentioned your EGR before on a post. It is typically the MAF sensor that causes a loss of low end power and what feels like turbo kick, not always, but it normally is. Unplugging the maf takes like 10 seconds and is easy to test.
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Have a 160 map and have a dyno run and you will see why I mention it. There isn't enough fuelling to produce 160bhp. If you've no intention of having of a map, then why bother commenting? I now have access to a dyno and can produce the results of a a 160 mapped car, and then it returned to a stock map with the T4. I could post the results but will people believe me? I doubt it. How about I make an offer, someone with a 160 mapped car can have a free dyno run and have a printout of the power, that way I can't have anything to do with the map and it will be a randomers car.

The 160 map is better than stock, and it isn't a bad map, it will do for most people, I'm just saying that there are more powerful maps out there. If you want a moderate increase of driveability, go for it. If you want maximum power (which some people don't want) then there are other maps available.

Feel free to come to a Nano meet when they are back on if you wish to speak to me in person, I can show you how remapping works and the values that are altered and what things can be altered in a map.

You've mentioned your EGR before on a post. It is typically the MAF sensor that causes a loss of low end power and what feels like turbo kick, not always, but it normally is. Unplugging the maf takes like 10 seconds and is easy to test.

Unplugging the MAF takes 10 seconds? and unplugging the MAF disables the EGR.


John told me the most common misconception people make when faced with the symptoms of a lack of power under 2000 RPM was to suspect the MAF, when in fact nine times out of ten it is a problem with the EGR.


He demonstrated this to me in real time, explained the cause and the fix....job done.


Back to your sales pitch, that is the reason I commented Jamie


You can have the best product in the market, however if you need to resort to talking down the opposition then it's never going to be as good as you claim it to be


I see you own several BMW models, I've had a few of those in the past including a rather nice 850 Ci coupe I bought new in 1992.


That was a rapid car, I spotted one driving around locally and soon after headed to the showroom and treated myself.


This car propelled me along at a respectable pace, having the M70B50 under the bonnet.


The point being this, I drive a ZT-T because I'm less likely to have the thing keyed, or otherwise vandalised while parked outside a pub, plus my customers don't get the wrong sort of impressions based upon the type of car I'm driving at the time......that say for instance turning up in a Porsche 911 might convey



I've been in business for a long time, profitably I may add, and one thing I've learned is to make progress you don't slate the opposition either publicly or privately, and to do so shows a distinct lack of business acumen.


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Unplugging the MAF takes 10 seconds? and unplugging the MAF disables the EGR.


John told me the most common misconception people make when faced with the symptoms of a lack of power under 2000 RPM was to suspect the MAF, when in fact nine times out of ten it is a problem with the EGR.


He demonstrated this to me in real time, explained the cause and the fix....job done.


Back to your sales pitch, that is the reason I commented Jamie


You can have the best product in the market, however if you need to resort to talking down the opposition then it's never going to be as good as you claim it to be


I see you own several BMW models, I've had a few of those in the past including a rather nice 850 Ci coupe I bought new in 1992.


That was a rapid car, I spotted one driving around locally and soon after headed to the showroom and treated myself.


This car propelled me along at a respectable pace, having the M70B50 under the bonnet.


The point being this, I drive a ZT-T because I'm less likely to have the thing keyed, or otherwise vandalised while parked outside a pub, plus my customers don't get the wrong sort of impressions based upon the type of car I'm driving at the time......that say for instance turning up in a Porsche 911 might convey



I've been in business for a long time, profitably I may add, and one thing I've learned is to make progress you don't slate the opposition either publicly or privately, and to do so shows a distinct lack of business acumen.


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I've found the opposite is normally true, that 9/10 MAFs are out of spec. I can only comment on what I have personally found. People who I have told have a faulty MAF and have replaced them with brand new Bosch ones have then had their power restored and the MAF reads within spec.

I'm talking down the opposition because their numbers aren't correct. Find me a 160 mapped car, and let me see it on a dyno in person and I will be quiet if it hits 160bhp. I've spoken to a few people who have put 160 mapped cars on different dynos and seem to get around 140-145bhp. Like I said, it is an improvement over stock, but more power can be had.

People on here are too complacent and just believe what certain people say to be the truth.

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I've found the opposite is normally true, that 9/10 MAFs are out of spec. I can only comment on what I have personally found. People who I have told have a faulty MAF and have replaced them with brand new Bosch ones have then had their power restored and the MAF reads within spec.

I'm talking down the opposition because their numbers aren't correct. Find me a 160 mapped car, and let me see it on a dyno in person and I will be quiet if it hits 160bhp. I've spoken to a few people who have put 160 mapped cars on different dynos and seem to get around 140-145bhp. Like I said, it is an improvement over stock, but more power can be had.

People on here are too complacent and just believe what certain people say to be the truth.




Jamie I don't care whether you can make my car produce 500 BHP for ten pence, you miss the point I'm trying to make

You do not get on in the business world by talking down the opposition, it's a really simple concept that has seen me in good stead in many years in business, by the way my business was established in 1968 after the Gaming Act of 1967 was enacted to counter the sort of practices made popular by the likes of Vince Landa and Michael Luvaglio......I'll let you google those names


By the way sending immature private messages to me regarding other traders only reinforces the opinion that is forming about the way you conduct yourself, and that is not in a good way I'm afraid.


Not good at all.


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I've found the opposite is normally true, that 9/10 MAFs are out of spec. I can only comment on what I have personally found. People who I have told have a faulty MAF and have replaced them with brand new Bosch ones have then had their power restored and the MAF reads within spec.

I'm talking down the opposition because their numbers aren't correct. Find me a 160 mapped car, and let me see it on a dyno in person and I will be quiet if it hits 160bhp. I've spoken to a few people who have put 160 mapped cars on different dynos and seem to get around 140-145bhp. Like I said, it is an improvement over stock, but more power can be had.

People on here are too complacent and just believe what certain people say to be the truth.
From one of the motoring programs I have seen, I don't think you could take a car off the street test it and state what the top BHP is, you would need to service it first. Although it was a petrol they were looking at, a test before and after a "service" gave different results.

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Chaps, to be clear, the new car delivers very smoothly and I havn't tried it yet on the only road where I ever seem to have a need for get up an go - the Snake, where I don't want to follow the sort of driver that brakes down to 30 on every bend and puts his (or her, let's not be 'ist about it) foot down again to the legal 50 on every straight. My old car, which was bought cheap and, to be honest, was as rough as a badgers' rough bits did however show a turn of "oomph" when asked. It just delivered in the manner of a 1980s-style turbo. I couldn't care less what the figures are on a rolling road I just "think" the car would be improved with a bit more "get up and - gone" on the few occasions that I ask it to, but not at the expense of pushing it to the limit, reliability, or day-to-day driving. I had a diesel mondeo a few years ago that was quick enough but the powerband was about as wide a fag paper. I also had a non-turbo escort van and you had to plan your overtakes in that with a calendar so my badly phrased question was simply trying to eek out any compromises that might have to be made is diverging from "factory".

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You do not get on in the business world by talking down the opposition, it's a really simple concept that has seen me in good stead in many years in business,

The company i work for make it clear that none of it's staff should denigrate the opposition and if you get caught doing so to make a sale then you are likely to get hauled up to explain yourself. It has earnt it's reputation through hard work and fair trading to the extent we rarely advertise as most of our business comes through recomendation and repeat customers.
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From one of the motoring programs I have seen, I don't think you could take a car off the street test it and state what the top BHP is, you would need to service it first. Although it was a petrol they were looking at, a test before and after a "service" gave different results.

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You can find out what it’s outputting there and then, how can the say you’ll get 160 without seeing the car or even knowing if it’s mechanically sound? Surely there should be an acceptable range of BHP you would typically get, or the average that cars achieve. Fresh oil, fresh air filter, spotless manifold, egr and intercooler would achieve the most power, but you won’t tend to lose a huge amount of power if it hasn’t had a service. I always recommend cleaning the intake system so it’s spotless prior to a remap, that way you can get the most air in, and make use of the extra fuel a remap puts in. Calling it a 160 map and only achieving 140~ bhp on an average diesel on a dyno would be a bit off putting to me. There should be a dyno day where a handful of cars are ran, the average worked out and go from there.
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You can find out what it’s outputting there and then, how can the say you’ll get 160 without seeing the car or even knowing if it’s mechanically sound? Surely there should be an acceptable range of BHP you would typically get, or the average that cars achieve. Fresh oil, fresh air filter, spotless manifold, egr and intercooler would achieve the most power, but you won’t tend to lose a huge amount of power if it hasn’t had a service. I always recommend cleaning the intake system so it’s spotless prior to a remap, that way you can get the most air in, and make use of the extra fuel a remap puts in. Calling it a 160 map and only achieving 140~ bhp on an average diesel on a dyno would be a bit off putting to me. There should be a dyno day where a handful of cars are ran, the average worked out and go from there.
I think they got back about 8-10 bhp, may not sound much but it is the difference between a car having what is claimed and not having what is claimed. Also I understand that a vehicle loses bhp over time through wear and tear of components. This would lead me to believe that a brand new engine with a remap will have the new claimed bhp but an old engine that has already lost bhp due to wear and tear, cannot get to that new engine remapped bhp. Is this the crux of the "dispute", worn engine with reduced bHP and not a new engine with all it's bhp?

I have a 160 remap, my car is insured as if it has 160 BHP, if it has 140 BHP I am not sure I am bothered as the car goes well enough for my driving style and pulls the caravan along so much better which was the reason for a remap.... mind you a CDT needs something to help it along


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