Voiding the warranty

Blink · 4th November 2020, 12:20

I've purchased this master cylinder - https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-STC100146.

The Product Description panel on that page says: "Please do not tamper with the internal diaphragm or attempt to refill the cylinder as it will invalidate the 12 month warranty on the part."

I asked Rimmers about this and they said if I take the cap off the cylinder it will void the warranty.

macafee2 · 4th November 2020, 12:34

mmm genuine, I wonder when it was made?
Is this not the same cylinder available elsewhere for less

macafee2

bl52krz · 4th November 2020, 12:38

I suppose what they are worried about is that if the brake fluid content drops, and you refill it ( by taking the cap off) you could invalidate them claiming their money back off the producer, under their warranty with the producer. Just a guess. You should not have to do that anyway, it’s new. Problem is...........how do you replace fluid when you fit it. It needs bleeding?? Strange one this is.

Blink · 4th November 2020, 13:52

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Originally Posted by macafee2

mmm genuine, I wonder when it was made?
Is this not the same cylinder available elsewhere for less

macafee2

It's a pre-filled LuK made on or after 11th August 2019.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Clutch-Ma...sAAOSwuoZfi~BY

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Originally Posted by bl52krz

I suppose what they are worried about is that if the brake fluid content drops, and you refill it ( by taking the cap off) you could invalidate them claiming their money back off the producer, under their warranty with the producer. Just a guess. You should not have to do that anyway, it’s new. Problem is...........how do you replace fluid when you fit it. It needs bleeding?? Strange one this is.

Exactly, how do I bleed the system if I can't take the cap off the master! As soon as I connect it to the slave and open the nipple, the fluid level will drop dramatically.

I don't even know if it's full or not. There was fluid on the outside of it when it arrived and fluid on the inside of the plastic bag. Some of it is leakage from the vent hole (see pic) but some could just be overspill from a messy filling procedure. Rimmers suggested sending it back for a replacement but they haven't answered the basic question: how to bleed the system without voiding the warranty.

You're probably right re the producer/supplier.

COLVERT · 4th November 2020, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Blink

It's a pre-filled LuK made on or after 11th August 2019.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Clutch-Ma...sAAOSwuoZfi~BY

Exactly, how do I bleed the system if I can't take the cap off the master! As soon as I connect it to the slave and open the nipple, the fluid level will drop dramatically.

I don't even know if it's full or not. There was fluid on the outside of it when it arrived and fluid on the inside of the plastic bag. Some of it is leakage from the vent hole (see pic) but some could just be overspill from a messy filling procedure. Rimmers suggested sending it back for a replacement but they haven't answered the basic question: how to bleed the system without voiding the warranty.

You're probably right re the producer/supplier.

Just curious but why would you want to bleed it ??

The section to the slave cylinder should be full.-- If not then reverse bleed the lower pipe before making the connection between the two pipes.

T-Cut · 5th November 2020, 12:22

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Originally Posted by Blink

There was fluid on the outside of it when it arrived and fluid on the inside of the plastic bag. Some of it is leakage from the vent hole

If the diaphragm is sound and the cap was tight, then the fluid can't get to the vent hole. Seems like the cap was slack (??).

'19/08/11' reads 19 August 2011 to most people.

A warranty rule that's impossible to follow seems illegal to me.

TC

pletevl · 5th November 2020, 12:59

It even says up to where you should fill it on the cap !!!

Could it be that they are selling old stock and are trying to worm their way out of honouring any kind of waranty on it ?

Pete

COLVERT · 5th November 2020, 18:47

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Originally Posted by T-Cut

If the diaphragm is sound and the cap was tight, then the fluid can't get to the vent hole. Seems like the cap was slack (??).

'19/08/11' reads 19 August 2011 to most people.

A warranty rule that's impossible to follow seems illegal to me.

TC

Seeing as the time is read from left to right maybe the date of manufacture is the same.--Or have we all gone Arabic here.---

Could be messy filing as the OP suggests.---The fluid leak in the bag.

Mike Noc · 6th November 2020, 07:32

As you said Jon these are designed to be fitted without bleeding. Dates can be written right to left I was checking something from Sweden yesterday and that's how they printed it. The blue label could be the manufacturing date of the assembly: 27th November 2013 at 9.29 in the morning..

COLVERT · 6th November 2020, 12:03

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Originally Posted by Mike Noc

As you said Jon these are designed to be fitted without bleeding. Dates can be written right to left I was checking something from Sweden yesterday and that's how they printed it. The blue label could be the manufacturing date of the assembly: 27th November 2013 at 9.29 in the morning..

That confuses the actual date of manufacture doesn't it ??

2019 or 2013.---

Maybe it is old stock so that's why they don't want you messing about with it.---

4th November 2020, 12:20	#1
Blink Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Under the car Posts: 1,840 Thanks: 210 Thanked 244 Times in 221 Posts	Voiding the warranty I've purchased this master cylinder - https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-STC100146. The Product Description panel on that page says: "Please do not tamper with the internal diaphragm or attempt to refill the cylinder as it will invalidate the 12 month warranty on the part." I asked Rimmers about this and they said if I take the cap off the cylinder it will void the warranty.

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bl52krz This is my second home Rover 75 cdt club + Rover 2.5 KV6 Conni SE Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 11,387 Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 2,262 Times in 1,729 Posts	I suppose what they are worried about is that if the brake fluid content drops, and you refill it ( by taking the cap off) you could invalidate them claiming their money back off the producer, under their warranty with the producer. Just a guess. You should not have to do that anyway, it’s new. Problem is...........how do you replace fluid when you fit it. It needs bleeding?? Strange one this is. __________________ Great Barr, Birmingham. Last edited by bl52krz; 4th November 2020 at 12:42..

4th November 2020, 12:34	#2
macafee2 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon & Tourer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Lincoln Posts: 14,912 Thanks: 1,630 Thanked 3,032 Times in 2,181 Posts	mmm genuine, I wonder when it was made? Is this not the same cylinder available elsewhere for less macafee2

5th November 2020, 12:59	#7
pletevl Posted a thing or two rover 75 cdti(rhd), MG ZR(lhd), MG TF(lhd), MG TF(rhd), mini mpi (lhd), Renault megane III (awful) Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: East of France Posts: 1,278 Thanks: 124 Thanked 114 Times in 93 Posts	It even says up to where you should fill it on the cap !!! Could it be that they are selling old stock and are trying to worm their way out of honouring any kind of waranty on it ? Pete

6th November 2020, 07:32	#9
Mike Noc This is my second home Rover 75 CDT Manual Connoisseur SE, Rover 75 CDT Automatic Connoisseur SE & a Freelander Td4. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hampshire Posts: 11,547 Thanks: 3,470 Thanked 3,119 Times in 2,247 Posts	As you said Jon these are designed to be fitted without bleeding. Dates can be written right to left I was checking something from Sweden yesterday and that's how they printed it. The blue label could be the manufacturing date of the assembly: 27th November 2013 at 9.29 in the morning..