Scotland to break from the union.?

[Ros3]

Originally Posted by Banjo

I was born a citizen of the United kingdom, and I hope to die as one. I am proud of this nation, and all the countries within it. The way that things are in the world I think we should stay as a strong and united people.

Fair point. Dont see however why we cant all be independent countrys who work together as allie's.??

[MN190]

Originally Posted by ros3

Dont see however why we cant all be independent countrys who work together as allie's.??

Wasn't that the starting point for Europe and the Euro

[Ros3]

Originally Posted by MN190

Wasn't that the starting point for Europe and the Euro

So what else would you have us do then ??..

[ianinfrance]

I get this from the Scots point of view. I just think it will be a poor do!

We are more than the sum of our parts. IMO


Anybody know why the union came about in the first place?

[FredSpencer]

Originally Posted by ros3

I think you will find that any hatred towards the English has been born out of the way England has treated Scotland for 100's of year's.

It's not how the English treated the Scottish that is the point - as always it is how those with power have treated the masses. What was done to the average Jock was done as much by the powerful Jock - just as the powerful in England did to the masses here. It was, and is, entirely done to maintain their position. This is why the current position of the SNP, stirring up hatred of the English, is just a smoke screen. If you had them controlling a fully independent country it would be a sad, sick, pathetic little country.

Just to make my views clear I would be quite happy for Scotland and Wales to be independent and Ireland to be united. I would also be in favour of England not being in the EU and having robust immigration laws that included compulsory repatriation of anyone not an English citizen by birth.

I would also like to see Hadrian's Wall rebuilt, but much higher; Offa's Dyke re-dug, deeper and with shark infested water; and while we're at it, it wouldn't harm to widen the Irish Sea and have missile batteries on the Isle of Man to pick off the coracles heading our way. It goes without saying the channel tunnel should be flooded as a matter of urgency.

[Robson Rover Repair]

Dear god why?

There are so much more better things the money in the UK could be spent on.

I feel if it went through it will only leave a sour taste in border areas.

[Ros3]

Originally Posted by FredSpencer

It's not how the English treated the Scottish that is the point - as always it is how those with power have treated the masses. What was done to the average Jock was done as much by the powerful Jock - just as the powerful in England did to the masses here. It was, and is, entirely done to maintain their position. This is why the current position of the SNP, stirring up hatred of the English, is just a smoke screen. If you had them controlling a fully independent country it would be a sad, sick, pathetic little country.

Just to make my views clear I would be quite happy for Scotland and Wales to be independent and Ireland to be united. I would also be in favour of England not being in the EU and having robust immigration laws that included compulsory repatriation of anyone not an English citizen by birth.

I would also like to see Hadrian's Wall rebuilt, but much higher; Offa's Dyke re-dug, deeper and with shark infested water; and while we're at it, it wouldn't harm to widen the Irish Sea and have missile batteries on the Isle of Man to pick off the coracles heading our way. It goes without saying the channel tunnel should be flooded as a matter of urgency.

If we are a sad sick little country then why is England so desparate for us to stay part of there union. No i think the real nub of the matter is that England need's Scotland, Wales and Ireland more than we need England. I think that if as you suggest we all became independant countrys then the only sad little country in the eye's of the world would be England. It's glory day's well behind it.

Also your post once again show's the condesending atitude of the Englsh towards the Scot's. Cheer's mate your doing the S.N.P'S cause the world of good keep it up..

[ceetdm]

Originally Posted by FredSpencer

It's not how the English treated the Scottish that is the point - as always it is how those with power have treated the masses. What was done to the average Jock was done as much by the powerful Jock - just as the powerful in England did to the masses here. It was, and is, entirely done to maintain their position. This is why the current position of the SNP, stirring up hatred of the English, is just a smoke screen. If you had them controlling a fully independent country it would be a sad, sick, pathetic little country.

Just to make my views clear I would be quite happy for Scotland and Wales to be independent and Ireland to be united. I would also be in favour of England not being in the EU and having robust immigration laws that included compulsory repatriation of anyone not an English citizen by birth.

I would also like to see Hadrian's Wall rebuilt, but much higher; Offa's Dyke re-dug, deeper and with shark infested water; and while we're at it, it wouldn't harm to widen the Irish Sea and have missile batteries on the Isle of Man to pick off the coracles heading our way. It goes without saying the channel tunnel should be flooded as a matter of urgency.

You really need to get down off that fence Fred

Tommy

[FredSpencer]

Originally Posted by ros3

If we are a sad sick little country then why is England so desparate for us to stay part of there union. No i think the real nub of the matter is that England need's Scotland, Wales and Ireland more than we need England. I think that if as you suggest we all became independant countrys then the only sad little country in the eye's of the world would be England. It's glory day's well behind it.

There are two points here. The first is immortality for the Scottish politician that succeeded in getting independence for Scotland. The second is eternal infamy for the English politician that was in charge when it happened. High stakes for those concerned. For the rest of us it is rather more down to earth - will we have a job, a house and what would our standard of living be? For most people in both countries the latter is falling, but with independence it would fall even faster in Scotland. Face the facts, Scotland has nothing much beyond whisky and holidays and the weather being what it is these days your winter holiday attraction is almost non-existent.

Also your post once again show's the condesending atitude of the Englsh towards the Scot's. Cheer's mate your doing the S.N.P'S cause the world of good keep it up..

Aye, we're all up for sending conde whenever we can.

[FredSpencer]

Originally Posted by ceetdm

You really need to get down off that fence Fred

Tommy

Aaahh, a sense of humour.