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baxlin · 6th October 2020, 05:14

I believe the Haas decision could be (ok, supposition) a red herring. That happened on the formation lap, which is after the mechanics etc have left the track, the driver really is on his own, and it is, to all intents and purposes part of the race.

But weren't Hamilton’s practice starts before the grid had even formed, and after which the teams swarm over the cars - so the driver hardly having no help?

So as I asked previously, do we know when the ‘driver driving the car unaided’ rule actually applies, for instance in free practice - does that add even more ambiguity?

clf · 6th October 2020, 12:07

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Originally Posted by baxlin

I believe the Haas decision could be (ok, supposition) a red herring. That happened on the formation lap, which is after the mechanics etc have left the track, the driver really is on his own, and it is, to all intents and purposes part of the race.

But weren't Hamilton’s practice starts before the grid had even formed, and after which the teams swarm over the cars - so the driver hardly having no help?

So as I asked previously, do we know when the ‘driver driving the car unaided’ rule actually applies, for instance in free practice - does that add even more ambiguity?

The Haas decision was on the formation lap, it is not part of the race though as it is not counted as a lap. The team told the drivers to come in. I believe it would have been ok, had the drivers come in of their own volition.

Free practice, I always thought was free of rules (well relatively speaking) to allow for a defined set up of the car for the track and current conditions. Including engineers giving guidance to drivers on how to adjust parameters if required.

The mechanics on the grid can be on the grid, as I understand, it is not part of the race. However, the formation lap will also have some form of governance for safety reasons, though this will be written with the thoughts of a mechanic being physically on track.

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The radio message rules however were clarified and adjusted in 2016. Ironically they aided Hamilton as Rosberg got a 10 second penalty for it HERE. Later in this same video, it proves that Hamilton was aware of certain rules (which have since been amended from what I can see - however this proves he was at least at one stage aware they existed), particularly the one that Mercedes were penalised for (approx. 2.25).

I do not have a copy of the 2020 rules, to see what the differences are now from 2016. EDIT: I believe I do now.

baxlin · 6th October 2020, 16:22

That’s fine, thanks. But i still don’t know when precisely that rule starts to apply.

However, we’ve probably dragged this out long enough - just in time to start discussing this week at Nurburgring.....

Malcolm

6th October 2020, 05:14	#41
baxlin This is my second home Volvo C70 Convertible and JZR 3 wheeler Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tring, Herts Posts: 3,960 Thanks: 124 Thanked 173 Times in 124 Posts	I believe the Haas decision could be (ok, supposition) a red herring. That happened on the formation lap, which is after the mechanics etc have left the track, the driver really is on his own, and it is, to all intents and purposes part of the race. But weren't Hamilton’s practice starts before the grid had even formed, and after which the teams swarm over the cars - so the driver hardly having no help? So as I asked previously, do we know when the ‘driver driving the car unaided’ rule actually applies, for instance in free practice - does that add even more ambiguity? __________________ Only my opinion, obviously, so please don’t shoot me if it doesn’t match yours!

6th October 2020, 16:22	#43
baxlin This is my second home Volvo C70 Convertible and JZR 3 wheeler Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tring, Herts Posts: 3,960 Thanks: 124 Thanked 173 Times in 124 Posts	That’s fine, thanks. But i still don’t know when precisely that rule starts to apply. However, we’ve probably dragged this out long enough - just in time to start discussing this week at Nurburgring..... Malcolm __________________ Only my opinion, obviously, so please don’t shoot me if it doesn’t match yours!