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Old 24th January 2018, 18:34   #41
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It's surprising that people don't realise claimants qualifying for Disability Living Allowance (DLA) forego their valid benefit entitlement (just as valid as income tax relief on the first 20% of income) merely to have the ability to be as mobile as those without a disability. It's a lifeline, no less, and registered motor dealers rely on it just as much as disabled people. If you want to know what it's like, try walking in their shoes for a mile before using hackneyed statements. If anyone wants to criticise, criticise those family members who abuse the scheme by using the car in the absence of the rightful claimant.
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Old 24th January 2018, 20:21   #42
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With so many working people earning only the minimum wage, and struggling to make end meet, it is a reasonable question to raise whether someone who can afford to top-up their DLA to purchase a high-end car should receive the DLA at all.

If we were not closing schools and hospitals due to a lack of finance, the above question would not arise. But, as it is, we are doing just that so IMHO the question is a reasonable one.
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Old 24th January 2018, 23:01   #43
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With so many working people earning only the minimum wage, and struggling to make end meet, it is a reasonable question to raise whether someone who can afford to top-up their DLA to purchase a high-end car should receive the DLA at all.

If we were not closing schools and hospitals due to a lack of finance, the above question would not arise. But, as it is, we are doing just that so IMHO the question is a reasonable one.
I would say that high end cars on the scheme are very rare, in reality most will be nil or low deposit cars.
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Old 25th January 2018, 01:15   #44
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With so many working people earning only the minimum wage, and struggling to make end meet, it is a reasonable question to raise whether someone who can afford to top-up their DLA to purchase a high-end car should receive the DLA at all.

If we were not closing schools and hospitals due to a lack of finance, the above question would not arise. But, as it is, we are doing just that so IMHO the question is a reasonable one.
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Your knowledge of the subject is negligible. You are forming an opinion based on populist guesswork and without reference to any sourced facts.

You seem to be linking a person’s presumed income to their eligibility for benefits when the only criterion in this case is one of disability. Your statement about closing hospitals for lack of finance is hopelessly wrong – google NHS and the amounts of grants received from government since 2010 to date. Although I have no interest in educating the uniformed or ill-informed – do your own due diligence and research rather than rely on rather ignorant dogma. To get you started see below.

If you cannot accept facts come up with authoritative sources for your opinion such as the numbers of people on minimum wage who are questioning this (OP) benefit or the number of so-called high-end cars concerned.

Finally, who said this particular question is unreasonable. You predicated your opinion with false premise and no research, not helpful to the OP.


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Current: according to NHS England, by 2020 the service will need an extra £30 billion a year just to stand still. By comparison, the police cost us £12 billion. The government are now putting £116 billion in to NHS England every year, up from £100 billion when they came to power in 2010. In the three months between April and June, trusts overspent by a total of £1 billion, more than their combined deficit for the whole of 2014. Wait until winter…

That is continuing fact. The problem is not underfunding but overworking by exponential increasing of conditions being offered that were never intended. In addition, the invention of PFI by the previous government has only succeeded in introducing a profit where there was none, huge salaries and expense accounts for managers and multiple tiers of administrators devoid of clinical training. Please, do some homework before forming simplistic opinion.
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Old 25th January 2018, 07:32   #45
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Your knowledge of the subject is negligible. You are forming an opinion based on populist guesswork and without reference to any sourced facts.

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Finally, who said this particular question is unreasonable. You predicated your opinion with false premise and no research, not helpful to the OP.
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Hi Wraymond,

I would say it was unnecessary that you chose to make a global declaration on my knowledge in relation to the matter before commenting on my specific point.

With reference to the first point I have quoted above, how can my knowledge be negligible and based on "populist guesswork", when it was in fact based on what a lady on DLA in a nearby village drives? It was based on first hand knowledge, be it on a very limited sample set.

I did not say that anyone said the question was unreasonable, only that it was a reasonable question to ask. This, I believe, is a common approach to gently making a point - a question of style I believe.

With the comment "You seem to be linking a person’s presumed income to their eligibility for benefits when the only criterion in this case is one of disability" you are stating how things are in this case, not what would be more reasonable and just. It would not be unreasonable (my style I am afraid!) to question whether disability benefit should be linked to a person's wealth and income as is the case with many other benefits.

You are of course welcome to your point of view, which I respect.

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Old 25th January 2018, 08:17   #46
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Whether your (anyone) view is that people with a disability should not have access to a Motability vehicle or not, someone wrote "put yourself in their shoes" I will take that a little further and say what if you have no shoes
because you have no legs due to some drunk driver.
You must always remember the words "There but for the Grace of God go I"
No one knows what is in the future, what terrible bad event could destroy
the world you woke up to this morning. One day anyone of us could need that benefit......what would you say then ?
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Old 25th January 2018, 10:50   #47
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Whether your (anyone) view is that people with a disability should not have access to a Motability vehicle or not, someone wrote "put yourself in their shoes" I will take that a little further and say what if you have no shoes
because you have no legs due to some drunk driver.
You must always remember the words "There but for the Grace of God go I"
No one knows what is in the future, what terrible bad event could destroy
the world you woke up to this morning. One day anyone of us could need that benefit......what would you say then ?
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I would hate to be in that position.

A very good friend suddenly developed a debilitating illness in his 40’s (heart and lungs), whilst working in the transport industry, he had a high powered and well paid job. His condition incapacitated him and he had to give up work. A PIP assessment went against him and he lost his benefit. A few months ago, I went to court with him to give support and speak up on his behalf. An independent panel at the court of appeal, squashed the DWP and the judgement was back dated and guaranteed to run for the next 10 years, with no further assessments.

In his case, the assessment process was flawed, the scoring and points, all weighted against him. You can imagine how disheartening it must have felt and how so many who are vulnerable or who suffer from mental illness must feel like giving up. Ultimately he won through, but it was a battle royal getting there.
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Old 25th January 2018, 14:17   #48
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That was very kind of you to support your friend and good for him, you can imagine how he must have been feeling through it all.
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