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Old 27th September 2021, 16:10   #11
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The one thing that did strike me was how welcome the European drivers are being made to feel to come over. The ministaer's statement more or less said come over and help us but then we want you to p*** off before Christmas. We are not sharing our turkey and sprouts with you lot!

How nice!


Most of the EE drivers that were over here before Brexit will not come back to the UK because the UK Government’s tax policy IR35 for self-employed people would impact on the thousands of foreign HGV drivers who work through agencies. They had their tax liability deferred for a year but it would now be due on arrival in Britain, while some faced repayments of £10,000 I don't fully understand the taxation complexities of IR35 but the truck forums know full well these drivers wont be back because of tax they will owe to HMRC on setting foot in Blighty again..
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Old 27th September 2021, 18:44   #12
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I have not ‘panick bought’ fuel. To me, it’s like in the summer when prices are stupid, my opinion, and lettuce, tomatoes and the like go shooting up in price.We leave them alone. Toilet rolls? Plenty of paper around. It appears that the stupid inhabitants of this stupid country, are turning into lemmings. Thanks to social media. I always rely on the aliens that visit me with anything I need. Da Da dumb and dummer.I despair of this country and a lot of its gormless inhabitants.
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Old 27th September 2021, 18:49   #13
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My son is a tanker driver, and is quite happy to keep working the overtime to keep idiots filling their tanks up. So, carry on filling up
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Old 27th September 2021, 19:39   #14
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Most of the EE drivers that were over here before Brexit will not come back to the UK because the UK Government’s tax policy IR35 for self-employed people would impact on the thousands of foreign HGV drivers who work through agencies. They had their tax liability deferred for a year but it would now be due on arrival in Britain, while some faced repayments of £10,000 I don't fully understand the taxation complexities of IR35 but the truck forums know full well these drivers wont be back because of tax they will owe to HMRC on setting foot in Blighty again..
The IR35 reforms only came into effect in April 2021. So if someone had an outstanding tax liability of £10k, they must have been earning a lot of money and not paying their due taxes.

The IR35 loophole should be done away for all workers. All it does is allow 'so-called self-employed contractors' to pay less tax than ordinary workers even though they are likely to be earning far higher wages.

It feels to me that this is just another smokescreen. HGV drivers are said to be in receipt of up to 40% pay rises at the moment. Paying a bit of tax is not going to make a huge dent into that.

I would be perfectly happy to be corrected if anyone has a better, fully supported view of IR35 implications for returning drivers.
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Old 27th September 2021, 21:54   #15
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HGV drivers are said to be in receipt of up to 40% pay rises at the moment. Paying a bit of tax is not going to make a huge dent into that.
Blimey!

Have you got a list of the employers paying 40% extra?
Mind you 'up to' includes increases of say, 1%. Sounds like more media hype to me.
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Old 27th September 2021, 22:22   #16
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No, I have not. But I have seen a couple of drivers on the media saying that their pay has instantly been increased by 20%.

There was also an article recently in Walesonline, I believe, which stated that Waitrose were advertising HGV jobs at over £53k/PA. Ditto Gist at over £56k/PA. Are these figures incorrect?

In any case, it does not alter the fact that wage earners should not be able to use tax avoidence loopholes. When such loopholes and their use are identified and plugged, it's a poor show to complain about it. The professions concerned should just pay their taxes in the same way as people on the minimum wage. I do know many people earning less than £20k who pay their taxes in accordance with the basic taxation rules.

Even before the current shortfalls, the average HGV driver pay was over £30k. Not everything in the media is hype!

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When I was offered my HGV license for free in 1994 it was because there was a shortage of drivers.
The problem has still not been addressed.
Successive Governments have failed to act.
Hauliers have treated drivers as a necessary evil and paid them peanuts.
The promise of 105 new truck stops in 1997 produced just 2.
Why would a young driver with a family want to work 71 hours a week? Perfectly legal too.
Today there is a haulier only 10 miles from me that pays its drivers only £8.88 per hour. The loophole is simple. Daily rate is £120. Divided by 13.5 hours worked gives you the hourly rate. Needless to say they lost 3 quarters of their drivers but the remaining 25% are mug enough to take poor pay.
The industry has been subject to a welcome introduction of a new professional addition, the driver CPC which makes the job safer and keeps drivers knowledge up to date.
Unfortunately older drivers decided to retire rather than go through more classroom time. Younger or new drivers had to go through another written test to get a licence. Would you be happy to do all of this for £8.88 per hour?
I agree with the CPC but if you are going to take the job to another level of professionalism you need to pay a wage that recognises it.
Right now ALL hauliers are having to pay more for drivers. Even the one paying £120 has just increased the rate to £131 per day. Still peanuts.


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Old 28th September 2021, 06:14   #18
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HOWEVER, the rate of usage, will be largely as per pre panic.

As we can all work out, the problem is not a fuel shortage, per se; it’s an inability to transport fuel from the central depots, to the forecourts, at this increased level / demand.

Once all of the on road vehicles have a full tank, the problem will have to abate, and the tanker drivers can take a short (well earned) break.

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Mike, by the time the last vehicle fills up the first vehicle to have to filled up will probably need to fill up again. As there was a shortage every day after the first vehicle filled up, they will panic buy again.


Yes, but only if those drivers who were amongst the first to fill up, then went on unusually long journeys.

Assuming that they don't, then they won't be ready to fill up, leaving a breathing space.

They may of course "top up", but then they will be drawing (much) less fuel.

Whilst this won't actually stop the queues, they should be reduced. More significantly though, the forecourts shouldn't run dry.

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My nephew is an HGV driver,, doesn't do any long distance stuff though, just in the North East of England.
I believe his pay went up around £6k ( before tax etc) to approximately £35k. A good salary.
Problem is though he's working around 50 hours a week ( not including travel time to and from his depot). His wife is poorly and he has two young children who are normally either in bed or getting ready for bed when he gets home. Long hours, permanently tired when at home. Life is hard for him.
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There was also an article recently in Walesonline, I believe, which stated that Waitrose were advertising HGV jobs at over £53k/PA. Ditto Gist at over £56k/PA. Are these figures incorrect?
They are quoted 'up to' figures. The absolute top rates will no doubt carry some conditions which will probably involve extra working hours. It will be quite a precedent they'll be setting if that is a basic salary commitment though very good for us drivers of course.

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Even before the current shortfalls, the average HGV driver pay was over £30k. Not everything in the media is hype!
It depends. With long hours it may have been but I doubt the average basic wage has been anywhere near that. Transport companies are very keen to quote possible rather than basic driver earnings.
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