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Old 24th September 2020, 11:27   #61
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I follow the official advice and wear a mask where recommended and I've prepared for a long haul and bought in bulk from China. I just wish that everyone would dispose of them in a responsible manner, I've seen more than a few left in supermarket trolleys or just dropped on the ground near the entrance.
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Old 24th September 2020, 13:08   #62
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Even found a discarded mask in my front garden this morning.
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Old 24th September 2020, 14:29   #63
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On the FACE ( ) of it, it seems sensible enough. However there will be just as many germs on your face as on your neck when you first put the mask on !!!

To be effective they should also add--Decontaminate your face before wearing the mask.

That way only your resident germs will be inside the mask and all the enemy germs stuck to the outside. Which is recommended should not come in contact with your fingers.
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Old 24th September 2020, 14:39   #64
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On the FACE ( ) of it, it seems sensible enough. However there will be just as many germs on your face as on your neck when you first put the mask on !!!

To be effective they should also add--Decontaminate your face before wearing the mask.

That way only your resident germs will be inside the mask and all the enemy germs stuck to the outside. Which is recommended should not come in contact with your fingers.
This is not complicated, do we assume that people wash their faces before putting on a mask and they wash their hands after removing the mask?
John, if you prefer to use “decontaminate”, that’s okay with me
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This is not complicated, do we assume that people wash their faces before putting on a mask and they wash their hands after removing the mask?
John, if you prefer to use “decontaminate”, that’s okay with me
1/ I bet 99% don't. ( And there lies the problem. )


2/ Decontaminate seems to cover ALL bugs.-----( good word that.-Lol. )


The thing is if we do come into contact with the Covid19 virus it is most likely to be all over us. The entry points appear to be in the facial area.

If somebody has coughed or sneezed near you and you have, unfortunately, some of those viruses on your skin then covering them up with a mask seems to be counter-productive.--


Bit like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted.--


Just my opinion of course but I'm trying to look at the problem from a practical point of view.

It's the interim removal of the mask to eat that exposes you to possible virus contact.
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Old 24th September 2020, 20:09   #66
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It is about risk vs. benefit.

Should we ban alcohol, cigarettes and motor vehicles tomorrow, because of the deaths they cause every single year? Knives? Electricity?!

You have to balance what you think is reasonable. I think, for example, those elderly people being scared to death in their homes is awful. They will die of boredom and loneliness. If I were that old, surely going to the bingo and accepting the risk is a life worth having?

For another perspective on the numbers, this is interesting
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac
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Old 24th September 2020, 20:28   #67
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If the masks work, why the 6ft?
If the 6ft works, why the masks?
If both work, why the lockdown?
If all 3 work, why the vaccine?
If the vaccine is safe, why the " No Liability" clause?
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Old 24th September 2020, 20:43   #68
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Yes, posted that link on the other virus thread, also note the information about facemask wearing and the lack of effects on transmission from other parts of the world on one of his other reports

What really really gets me is that all other people with serious illnesses such as Cancer, heart disease etc are being sacrificed on the alter of the great God Covid because they cannot access proper treatment
It's already killed far more than the Virus and will only increase, dramatically over the coming winter months.

The Director of CRUK the other day stated that over 300,000 Cancer patients were either left without diagnosis, treatments or follow up appointments, goodness knows how many are awaiting treatment for all the other illnesses it must run into millions.

Good job I got Cancer when I did. I got the appropriate treatment promptly and have been in remission for the last 7 years. If it were now, chances are I would be slowly dying, It doesn't bear thinking about.

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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2#Sec3

The above paper looks at exhaled air and the efficacy of face masks. I am posting this on behalf of Clive
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