JLR suffering from Diesel over reliance

Yorkshire GOC · 31st October 2018, 11:07

The 90% production bias in favour of diesel cars is beginning to bite - £90 million losses in first quarter for JLR

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46045334

trikey · 31st October 2018, 11:29

Oh dear this will have implications.

Dawn · 31st October 2018, 11:31

That will affect my old employer as they do a lot for JLR....

topman · 31st October 2018, 11:45

Can be difficult to turn things around when they've spent so heavily in diesels. It'll take time to bring out the electric models.

They've had a very good run so it can be hard to keep that going year in year out. They still have revenues of £5.6bn.

Lancpudn · 31st October 2018, 11:46

They wont be the last of the legacy auto makers to be in difficulty. The next two to three years will see huge upheaval in that industry. Jaguar land Rover has said all their models will be "committed to electrification" by 2020.
I hope Tata motors has deep pockets to bankroll all the new technology needed to make this happen in such a small time frame.

Jim Jamieson · 31st October 2018, 14:12

It’s an old adage, the bigger you are the harder you fall.

I worked in the motor trade through the 70’s & 80’s latterly in a Jaguar franchise and when you see all these huge showrooms today it makes you wonder how they manage to survive.

Comfortably Numb · 31st October 2018, 21:31

Are their petrol offerings no good, then? I'm surprised they haven't seen the writing on the wall for new diesels and sourced/ engineered decent petrol alternatives. Or is everyone in the large car market after petrol hybrids now? I wouldn't have a modern diesel, with Blu and DPFs, they have lost their advantage over petrol. I'll run my old pre-DPF oil burner until either it breaks badly or additonal anti-pollution legislation/taxation renders it uneconomic.

coab · 1st November 2018, 06:12

JLR are investing hundreds of millions in electric cars and a state of the art research and development facility in Coventry. Half of the city has had its roads dug up to put the extra power cables down to fed the plant. They have suffered like many manufacturers due to the government being "unclear" about taxes on diesel cars in future and everyone is jumping to petrol.
A friend of mine bought a Ford S Max brand new, he was offered a fully loaded TDCi for the same price as a basic S Max petrol. He chose the petrol car.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/ne...ables-12887873

SCP440 · 1st November 2018, 07:06

There are dealers offering huge discounts on anything with a Diesel engine at the moment. I know of one who was offering 35% off a new Focus and free servicing for the time the new owner owned the car

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The problem is the factories cant turn there manufacturing around that quickly, new models take years to go from drawing board to showroom and they were set up with a bias on diesel engine manufacturing. I bet if you went into a JLR showroom and wanted to order a new petrol powered vehicle you would be given a long delivery date. You only have to look at the used stock in there dealerships, 95% of it is Diesel powered.

The sad part is the new petrol engines are so efficient that there mpg is almost as good as the diesels without the threat of huge toad tax charges looming.

JLR will not be the only one suffering, what about VW group? They have a huge fine to pay and a lot of what they were producing up until last year was Diesel powered.

Lancpudn · 1st November 2018, 09:48

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Originally Posted by SCP440

There are dealers offering huge discounts on anything with a Diesel engine at the moment. I know of one who was offering 35% off a new Focus and free servicing for the time the new owner owned the car

.

The problem is the factories cant turn there manufacturing around that quickly, new models take years to go from drawing board to showroom and they were set up with a bias on diesel engine manufacturing. I bet if you went into a JLR showroom and wanted to order a new petrol powered vehicle you would be given a long delivery date. You only have to look at the used stock in there dealerships, 95% of it is Diesel powered.

The sad part is the new petrol engines are so efficient that there mpg is almost as good as the diesels without the threat of huge toad tax charges looming.

JLR will not be the only one suffering, what about VW group? They have a huge fine to pay and a lot of what they were producing up until last year was Diesel powered.

One of my neighbours bought a new...ish Audi A4 diesel a few weeks ago and offered the dealer £1800 below list price and he got it without any trouble at all.

With all the local authorities in the country starting the government backed "joint clean air plans" to combat pollution I should imagine the prices will fall even further.

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coab This is my second home 2007 57 GOLF GTi EDITION 30 DSG Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Newport Shropshire and Coventry. Posts: 5,137 Thanks: 2,424 Thanked 1,452 Times in 852 Posts	JLR are investing hundreds of millions in electric cars and a state of the art research and development facility in Coventry. Half of the city has had its roads dug up to put the extra power cables down to fed the plant. They have suffered like many manufacturers due to the government being "unclear" about taxes on diesel cars in future and everyone is jumping to petrol. A friend of mine bought a Ford S Max brand new, he was offered a fully loaded TDCi for the same price as a basic S Max petrol. He chose the petrol car. https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/ne...ables-12887873 Last edited by coab; 1st November 2018 at 06:15..

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Jim Jamieson This is my second home Rover less ! Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Tarbolton Posts: 3,442 Thanks: 393 Thanked 888 Times in 542 Posts	It’s an old adage, the bigger you are the harder you fall. I worked in the motor trade through the 70’s & 80’s latterly in a Jaguar franchise and when you see all these huge showrooms today it makes you wonder how they manage to survive.

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Comfortably Numb Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Penrith Posts: 1,336 Thanks: 165 Thanked 303 Times in 241 Posts	Are their petrol offerings no good, then? I'm surprised they haven't seen the writing on the wall for new diesels and sourced/ engineered decent petrol alternatives. Or is everyone in the large car market after petrol hybrids now? I wouldn't have a modern diesel, with Blu and DPFs, they have lost their advantage over petrol. I'll run my old pre-DPF oil burner until either it breaks badly or additonal anti-pollution legislation/taxation renders it uneconomic.

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SCP440 I really should get out more....... MG ZT-T 260 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Witney Posts: 2,504 Thanks: 6 Thanked 910 Times in 571 Posts	There are dealers offering huge discounts on anything with a Diesel engine at the moment. I know of one who was offering 35% off a new Focus and free servicing for the time the new owner owned the car . The problem is the factories cant turn there manufacturing around that quickly, new models take years to go from drawing board to showroom and they were set up with a bias on diesel engine manufacturing. I bet if you went into a JLR showroom and wanted to order a new petrol powered vehicle you would be given a long delivery date. You only have to look at the used stock in there dealerships, 95% of it is Diesel powered. The sad part is the new petrol engines are so efficient that there mpg is almost as good as the diesels without the threat of huge toad tax charges looming. JLR will not be the only one suffering, what about VW group? They have a huge fine to pay and a lot of what they were producing up until last year was Diesel powered.