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Old 1st December 2021, 21:18   #21
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Are you using an open fire or an enclosed burner, I fitted a log burner three years ago and I fuel it with Supertherm brand coal, I put a small bucketful on in the evening and it's still glowing when I come down at 6.30am. The main part of the warmth is under the register plate and feeds the house nicely, the chimney in the upstairs bedroom acts as a ten foot radiator with the slow burn of the coal, it's so warm that on winter nights I'm pushing off the covers sometimes. You can also stand a thermal fan on top of a burner to channel warmth around the lower rooms if you choose.
Enclosed burner. We do still have some glowing in the morning but let it go out. Apparently some coal burns hotter then others, we must have one of the others

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Old 4th December 2021, 06:36   #22
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Most houses are powered by gas, oil, coal, LPG and electricity.

Has anybody here experienced a gas supply cut as a result of a storm or electricity failure ?

I would suspect not, as there is always a substantial amount of gas in the pipes, keeping supply going, even if local gas pumping stations suffer electricity cuts.

And if you have oil tanks, they take weeks (if not months) to empty.

Coal can last weeks.

So the killer issue is lack of electricity to run the essentials: gas or oil central heating, water pumps, fridge freezers, LED lighting, broadband and mobile phone chargers.
(Corded phones, remember them, do not require mains power, and have no batteries to run flat.)

As I understand it, wind and solar inverters require an existing mains supply before they will feed power into the wiring. So they are of no use in a power cut. And generators require refueling every ~4 hours (and should be stopped, while being refueled with explosive petrol).

So the trick is a continuous supply of electricity, in the ~<500W region, to run the essentials.

A mains inverter (1500W pure sine wave continuous output) and a couple of 130Ah lead acid batteries can keep the essentials going for several days, for a cost of ~£210, and can be recharged from your Rover 75 (other cars are available ) assuming you have a reasonable amount of fuel in it, and a set of jump leads.

As long as the mains isolator is turned OFF, the inverter output can be fed into any 13A socket, powering up all the essentials.

Obviously electric ovens, microwaves, electric kettles, washing machines, dishwashers, etc, are unusable, but in my opinion, not essential. Toasters are doable.

(PS Mobile phone charging doesn't even need mains power, a cigar lighter socket in your Rover 75 can charge a phone in less than 2 hours, without taking much power from the battery.)

(I noticed that somebody complained that their electric toothbrush was unusable, during a power cut. I really do wonder at people nowadays ! Toothbrushes are available !)

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Old 4th December 2021, 10:13   #23
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(I noticed that somebody complained that their electric toothbrush was unusable, during a power cut. I really do wonder at people nowadays ! Toothbrushes are available !)

To be fair it does depend on the purpose to which the electric toothbrush is employed. I derive pleasure from just holding one in my hand - cleaning the teeth is just an added bonus. Under some circumstances people could be deprived of their usual lifestyle and wish to report to emergency services on 999. We must not prejudge based on assumptions.
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Just had a conversation with a farmer who tells me a contributor to the problem is the fact that many posts in rural areas were rotten and went down. We are now told another storm is coming. Good Lord deliver us.
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Old 6th December 2021, 10:53   #25
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Just had a conversation with a farmer who tells me a contributor to the problem is the fact that many posts in rural areas were rotten and went down. We are now told another storm is coming. Good Lord deliver us.
I thought Ireland and perhaps West Coast were to bear the brunt.

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Old 12th December 2021, 11:45   #26
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Question Other problems when losing power

People are installing electric garage door openers, which, with power loss, are keeping their (all-weather, 4 wheel drive) cars in the garage.
In addition, people are abandoning all home phones with cords, which will continue to work during power cuts, unlike cordless home phones.
And some people are swapping their PSTN phones for VOIP phones, which rely on mains power to their broadband connections.

I think people, in the countryside, reliant upon power, coming over overhead power lines, need to seriously consider their options, in the event of power loss. Overhead power lines will always be vulnerable to bad weather. And multiple faults increase the time to repair.

This can be easily simulated, by switching OFF their mains electricity, and see what is left working.

Being prepared for a power loss will dramatically reduce the impact, if a power outage does occur, rather than just going for the cheapest, or more 'convenient' option.

Be prepared.

(And keep a manual toothbrush to hand !!!)
Apologies if I seem to lack sympathy.

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Old 12th December 2021, 13:37   #27
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People are installing electric garage door openers, which, with power loss, are keeping their (all-weather, 4 wheel drive) cars in the garage.
In addition, people are abandoning all home phones with cords, which will continue to work during power cuts, unlike cordless home phones.
And some people are swapping their PSTN phones for VOIP phones, which rely on mains power to their broadband connections.

I think people, in the countryside, reliant upon power, coming over overhead power lines, need to seriously consider their options, in the event of power loss. Overhead power lines will always be vulnerable to bad weather. And multiple faults increase the time to repair.

This can be easily simulated, by switching OFF their mains electricity, and see what is left working.

Being prepared for a power loss will dramatically reduce the impact, if a power outage does occur, rather than just going for the cheapest, or more 'convenient' option.

Be prepared.

(And keep a manual toothbrush to hand !!!)
Apologies if I seem to lack sympathy.

Rant over

Recently BT have asked its customers to plug their phones into the router from now on, try explaining that to an 87 year old with no power, gas or other means to heat the house.

In the naive rush to get rid of gas, coal, wood burners, banks, cash where does that leave these poor souls in northern climates?

Btw, the battery power for the telephone exchange only seems to last around 24 hours on its own, then no matter what phone type you have the line goes dead.

I guess I was one of the lucky ones as I have a generator, I could live quite comfortably for days on end, the only thing missing was the phone and internet, no great miss tbh. Not Surprisingly my house was full of the family all moving back home, was nice to be together again.
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Old 12th December 2021, 16:57   #28
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Recently BT have asked its customers to plug their phones into the router from now on, try explaining that to an 87 year old with no power, gas or other means to heat the house.

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This is only if the customer has a Smart Hub 2 and has been migrated to the digital voice service as part of a migration away from PSTN voice.

Everyone else - you can not do the above.
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Old 12th December 2021, 21:40   #29
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People are installing electric garage door openers, which, with power loss, are keeping their (all-weather, 4 wheel drive) cars in the garage.
In addition, people are abandoning all home phones with cords, which will continue to work during power cuts, unlike cordless home phones.
And some people are swapping their PSTN phones for VOIP phones, which rely on mains power to their broadband connections.

I think people, in the countryside, reliant upon power, coming over overhead power lines, need to seriously consider their options, in the event of power loss. Overhead power lines will always be vulnerable to bad weather. And multiple faults increase the time to repair.

This can be easily simulated, by switching OFF their mains electricity, and see what is left working.

Being prepared for a power loss will dramatically reduce the impact, if a power outage does occur, rather than just going for the cheapest, or more 'convenient' option.

Be prepared.

(And keep a manual toothbrush to hand !!!)
Apologies if I seem to lack sympathy.

Rant over


those that have broadband and fibre, will their pstn phone still work off of the telephone exchange 50v power supply?



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