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Old 19th October 2021, 14:48   #11
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Hi All, I now have the same problem with my 2.0 cdti. No turnover, not even a click but lights and locks working.
I had an additional problem of the bonnet pull flapping. Managed to get the bonnet up and put a tie wrap on the single cable, that solved that problem.
My car is parked at the far end of the road so I can't nip in and out with dismantled bits.
How do I get to the starter motor on this car?
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Old 19th October 2021, 15:20   #12
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Had been running fine, stopped to pick something up and when we tried to restart, nothing happened ... starter wouldn't engage. No flickering as you would see with a dud battery ..
Hello David,

The symptoms you've described strongly suggest either a dirty spade terminal on the starter solenoid (as earlier posts) or worn solenoid contacts. Both of these possibilities would prevent the starter motor turning.
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The engine won't turn and the mechanic thinks it must therefore have seized.
David you MUST establish whether the mechanic has attempted to turn the engine by hand, i.e. with a socket on the crankshaft pulley as Arctic mentioned earlier. I'm doubtful that they have because if the starter motor was working correctly but the engine was seized, the instrument pack warning lights would dim severely or even extinguish altogether. You've reported that this does not happen.
Also, the prelude to a seized engine would be severe overheating and/or illumination of the oil pressure warning lamp but you didn't experience those either.
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There is also the chance that it is an immobiliser problem due to it disabling the starter motor.


Forget about replacement engines David. Either do your own diagnosis with our help or find another mechanic.

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Hi All, I now have the same problem with my 2.0 cdti. No turnover, not even a click but lights and locks working.
I had an additional problem of the bonnet pull flapping. Managed to get the bonnet up and put a tie wrap on the single cable, that solved that problem.
My car is parked at the far end of the road so I can't nip in and out with dismantled bits.
How do I get to the starter motor on this car?
Thank you.
HI Adrian.
engine cover off, three bolts, then look below and in the middle of the manifold and you will see the starter motor, pull the spade end off clean up and re-fit see if the car starts.

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If this does not start the car then give the starter a tap with the handle of a screw driver, see if it starts.

Most likely the starter needs new contacts and plunger, to remove the starter will take about 45 minutes the first time you have ever taken one off.
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how to on here somewhere.
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Old 19th October 2021, 15:30   #14
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Bad news. The engine won't turn and the mechanic thinks it must therefore have seized. The garage where I left it is not a Rover specialist, but are a really good garage who will bend over to help with anything, so if they think it's seized I guess my only option is a new engine. Or is there anything else I could suggest to them?


As for new engines, the car has done 100,000 miles, has had a slight head gasket leak for some years requiring coolant monitoring and regular topups and is due a new cambelt next year. So I was already wondering whether to bite the bullet and replace the engine or at least do a rebuild. Events may have brought that decision forward somewhat. Can anyone suggest a source of 2.5 V6 auto engines likely to be in good nick, and the question the garage asked me was did I know what ancillaries it would come with or whether they would have to swap a load of stuff over from the existing engine.

I have a good v6, still in the car and can be driven if you need one.
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Thanks Steve. Still enough daylight left so I'll see about that spade now.
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I have a good v6, still in the car and can be driven if you need one.
Hi Andy.
Nice one, if David did or does need an engine then i would say it would be better for him to have the car lifted, bought to you by, Victor on here as he moves and transports cars.

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At least David would then have a good knowledge that the engine transplant would be done correctly by someone whom knows these cars
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Thanks Steve. Still enough daylight left so I'll see about that spade now.
Don't forget to take a screw driver with you to give the starter a tap if the spade end does nowt.
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Don't forget to take a screw driver with you to give the starter a tap if the spade end does nowt.
will do.
Gonna have to wait till tomorrow now, I forgot about the footy match tonight. Need to prepare for that.
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Old 19th October 2021, 23:08   #19
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Many thanks everyone so far. I've fed back the comments to the garage - I use them for other cars and they are normally pretty clued up about non-Rovers so would be surprised if they had missed a basic problem. It does seem strange that the car was working fine until parked, left for a few minutes and then failed to start. Both AA and garage suspected the engine had seized but I will obviously ensure they have tried to turn by hand before thinking about what to do next.


I presume a competent mechanic would know what to try to turn so see if a 2.5 V6 engine was seized????
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Old 20th October 2021, 07:44   #20
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If the suggested checks at the starter motor don't solve the problem, it is then worth a check of the wiring to the crank sensor. The wiring of our cars in some areas is constantly exposed to the variations in weather and can lead to deterioration of those wires, especially below the fuse box (engine bay).
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