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Old 18th November 2021, 15:25   #11
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If you need new front pads or discs on a BMW they will insist that all four corners are so treated, "to maintain overall brake balance"
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Old 18th November 2021, 15:28   #12
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Our cars are actually very cheap to maintain. As are most cars of the same era e.g Vauxhall Omega, Astra, Ingsignia, Ford Focus, Mondeo etc. This is because a) parts are cheap and b) people no longer pay main dealer rates for work on these cars.

Let's face it, our cars and those above are not the equivalent of a modern Porche, Mercedes, Jaguar, BMW and so on that is maintained by a dealership or a specialist.

Some people would moan at the expense even if the dealers serviced and repaired their cars for free. They would probably moan for the lack of a complimentary wash and polish with the free service. Others would not. Humans are a funny species!
Just paid a little under £180 for an 'OEM' intermediate exhaust section and clamp, cheap!!
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Old 18th November 2021, 15:43   #13
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If you need new front pads or discs on a BMW they will insist that all four corners are so treated, "to maintain overall brake balance"
If they say that, surely they are admitting after first use, bmw brakes are inherently dangerous lol.

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Old 18th November 2021, 17:49   #14
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If you need new front pads or discs on a BMW they will insist that all four corners are so treated, "to maintain overall brake balance"
I heard of something similar after an M3 Owner had a tyre replaced after one had been damaged, they recommended a full set to maintain a good balance, he declined and there was a lot of sucking of teeth. I could understand if the tyres had done many thousands of miles but it was less than a 1000 miles on it when it got damaged.
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Old 18th November 2021, 23:54   #15
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Try this video.
Confirms what many of us have known for years and too many people ignore.
Cars are scrap. Minor spelling error.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1414...0034119217939/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xt7YW1_49SQ&feature=share
2 links just in case you don't have one of the platforms.


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Old 19th November 2021, 00:13   #16
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Just paid a little under £180 for an 'OEM' intermediate exhaust section and clamp, cheap!!

Yes. Cars have been relatively cheap to buy, maintain and run during the past 20ish years. This has created a real problem in towns and cities because some households are able to afford 2-3 cars despite not having to space to park. Buying and running a car was a major financial undertaking during the 1970's and 1980's and many families did not own a single car.

The other problem these days is that people expect to pay little for parts, hence so much rubbish being produced and sold that does not last. A complete exhaust costing say £500 to £700 but designed to last 10-12 years would actually be better value than a cheap system.

It feels to me that the situation is now staring to correct itself.
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Old 19th November 2021, 09:34   #17
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The other problem these days is that people expect to pay little for parts, hence so much rubbish being produced and sold that does not last. A complete exhaust costing say £500 to £700 but designed to last 10-12 years would actually be better value than a cheap system.

It feels to me that the situation is now staring to correct itself.
BUT nobody expects to keep a car for 10+ years these days - I am amazed at the number of cars advertised for sale that have numerous owners in the first few years of life.
Regarding prices, the mark up on parts is reputed to be 400% - source - a close friend and previous Quality Director at Ford - which probably explains the poor maintenance of many cars.
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Old 19th November 2021, 10:44   #18
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It's never as simple as that. Mark up is normally a ratio of the sale price to buy price. But a car manufacturer has to hold and manage inventory for at least 10 years after the car ceases production. This carries a huge cost.

The fact most car makers make make losses or only marginal profits demonstrates that their net profits are very low or negative!

There is only really one way to achieve low end prices for parts - to produce tat and do so only for the period that large volume sales are available. This would be unsustainable for a car manufacturer but is the business model of most producers of copied parts sold at low prices.

Most parts sold for our cars these days fall into the tat category in my view. This is why they do not last. Also, people are not paying main dealer prices.

I can remember horror stories of extortionate dealer charges for Rover 75 repairs and service when they were nearly new. Comparing costs of owning/maintaining a 3 year old Porche and a 20 year old 75 is just not a valid comparison or relevant. Comparison with a 20 year old Omega would be valid. I do make such comparisons as I own both and the Omega has worked out to be cheaper overall because it is still possible to buy most OEM parts from Vauxhall or the likes of Lemforder.

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Old 21st November 2021, 18:24   #19
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A friend of the missus has a 2018 e class merc. Waterpump went, well known fault apparently, 4 days in garage, cost 5K
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A friend of the missus has a 2018 e class merc. Waterpump went, well known fault apparently, 4 days in garage, cost 5K

There is no common water pump issue on any of the Mercedes engines fitted to the E-Class.

The only real 'common' e-class engine issues are a) injector 'black death' i.e. injector very difficult to remove due to seal leakage eventually meaning the injector is stuck in the head with black gunge. A lot of specialists can now deal with this using proper injector removal tools. b) the other common but major issue was the premature balance shaft wear on the 3.5L V6 petrol CGI engine up to 2008.

I suspect your friend's cost of £5k was for damage caused as a result of coolant loss due to water pump failure. Do you believe the cost of sorting a KV6 following overheating would have been any different when the cars were newer?

Generally, Mercedes engines are robust. Also, there are some excellent independent specialists who can undertake any job on the cars and engines. We have one such specialist about 5 miles from us.
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