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23rd November 2021, 19:37 | #122 | |
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Give me one good reason why natural immunity is being totally ignored and I might listen to your `facts` |
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23rd November 2021, 19:43 | #123 | |
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23rd November 2021, 20:02 | #124 | |
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I think this debate is now more interesting than the main thread topic. My hopes have been truly dashed. I started off wanting to make friends with dentists so that I could enjoy holidays with these friends on their Sunseekers. Then my overriding socialist principles determined that dentists should in fact follow other deserving groups to the correction facilities post the revolution. Now, I am left feeling sorry for my dentist and thinking of starting a collection to support his welfare! As for the thread topic, I think the thread has lost the plot. The fundamental question is not whether having the vaccination is beneficial, but rather whether it can ever be morally acceptable to force an individual or group of individuals to choose between having something that could have long-term side effects injected into their bodies or maintaining their employment/livelihoods. I note that care home residents and their visitors are not being mandated to have the vaccination. Yet this would be the solution to giving the residents protection. |
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23rd November 2021, 21:11 | #125 | |
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If you think about it if people that have not had the jab but have immunity then that will improve the figure for the unjabbed people |
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24th November 2021, 08:18 | #126 |
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Everyone who went for a test at testing station had their data taken by the government, everyone who has had the virus has natural immunity if they recovered from it, that's simple to understand, that data is there to be used. If you catch anything at all and recover from it you get natural immunity, a cut on the hand will kill you if you can't heal. If you're unjabbed and had the virus the vaccine figures will change in a dramatic way, but that data won't be provided. I've gone from trusting the science as the truth to now thinking it's propaganda to achieve compliance, the positive discrimination against people that don't get jabbed is disturbing, the way that the hysterical jabbed people back that discrimination is also disturbing, people have lost their minds and many have shown themselves to be worthy of a rubber room, and all because of a vaccine that lasts for a few months.
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You keep saying give me the facts but all we have heard from you is opinions. This is not just about anti bodies which decline over time whether through having a jab or having caught Covid but the effect of T cells which amongst other actions help control the B cells. B cells produce antibodies. The Astra Zeneca vacinne is particularly efficient in producing long lasting T cell immunity. By the way as I mentioned in post #111 a nurse colleague who works in an ICU unit says 9 out of 10 have not been jabbed. This is not the 32:1 ratio from the ONS but is still a significant difference none the less, but is based on a smaller sample not the 100k's of the ONS. |
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24th November 2021, 14:30 | #129 | |
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24th November 2021, 14:41 | #130 | |
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And how many years have we been having annual flu vaccinnes? Can you point me to the source of the data that shows that natural immunity is the best protection. I assume that you are not going to analyse the ONS data |
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