CDti 75 Automatic Will NOT Start!!

bonnietiler · 8th April 2017, 09:33

Hi guys I do apologise if this has been beaten to death with a NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- stick but these are the symptoms.
My Son has let the battery discharge, I arrive with Triumph TR8 and attach Jump leads I start my car he gets into car and it turns over like a gatling gun but resolutely refuses to start..Its like an immobiliser is on..absolutely no stutter or cough just turns over. No warning lights either I leave my car running for ten minutes and remove jump leads, there is zero in his battery. We are going to remove the battery ( his car is at his work) tonight and recharge and refit but could something have tripped and need resetting at all as I said it just was never going to start although it did turn over on the starter motor very quickly.
Any help much appreciated.
I have just sold the Volvo 850R and am looking for another Rover/MG Tourer so I'll be back!

Ravinder · 8th April 2017, 09:59

Is the car in park mode? I understand it has to be in park before it will start.

Wolds_lady_2006 · 8th April 2017, 13:37

Same problem with my brothers car. Automatic, with half tank of fuel and will not fire. It's sat here in my garden...+-(

There is fuel at the front pump and injectors but will not fire.

RAC advises crank sensor??

Just awaiting Trikey to apply his magic, will update you Bonnie

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roverbarmy · 8th April 2017, 13:47

You can't beat those "bulletproof" BMW diesels!

bonnietiler · 9th April 2017, 12:34

Just charged the battery and checked fuses.
"EP" which did show has gone
But although it turns over like rail-gun...
It will not start
Any suggestions, going to have to tow it back tonight and lend my Son my Triumph TR8...so its SERIOUS!

klarzy · 9th April 2017, 13:23

Does any RPM show up when cranking?

if yes crank sensor is ok...

simple checks...

is engine check light on?
remove and remake plugs on under bonnet fuel filter housing and high pressure fuel rail sensor (both easily accessed with just the bonnet open).
Go under passenger footwell, on the left just behind the glovebox, against the inside of the lower A pillar is the impact fuel cutoff... make sure the plug is on tight and press the reset on top...

report back...

if the engine is cranking it is not the inhibitor switch on the gearbox...

failing that I would T4 it as the comms bus may have an issue (Hence the EP showing)

klarzy · 9th April 2017, 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by roverbarmy

You can't beat those "bulletproof" BMW diesels!

the engine's themselves are bulletproof... like any other car though it relies on fuel and electronics telling the ECU to open the injectors...

there is far less to go wrong on a BMW diesel lump than ANY of the petrol models...

FrenchMike · 9th April 2017, 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonnietiler

Just charged the battery and checked fuses.
"EP" which did show has gone
But although it turns over like rail-gun...
It will not start
Any suggestions, going to have to tow it back tonight and lend my Son my Triumph TR8...so its SERIOUS!

Not a good idea trying to start with a flat battery ,

two ways however

-Electrical control issue (generally flooded ECU etc ...)

-fuel feeding
check
low pressure (listen for the two LP pumps )
lack of common rail High pressure (leaky injector i.e) confirmed by a sniff of easy start

If handy with multimeters,see :

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=109615

good luck

Mike

roverbarmy · 9th April 2017, 15:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by klarzy

the engine's themselves are bulletproof... like any other car though it relies on fuel and electronics telling the ECU to open the injectors...

there is far less to go wrong on a BMW diesel lump than ANY of the petrol models...

My old JCB, with a gravity fed fuel system, from a 5 gallon drum on the roof, never let me down. Parked it on the hill so I could bump start it and it never had a battery, just pressed the cold start button on the pump, handbrake off, let it roll and lift the clutch in second gear.

Enjoy your diesels.

Vehicle electronics - hate 'em!

grivas · 9th April 2017, 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonnietiler

Hi guys I do apologise if this has been beaten to death with a NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- stick but these are the symptoms.
My Son has let the battery discharge, I arrive with Triumph TR8 and attach Jump leads I start my car he gets into car and it turns over like a gatling gun but resolutely refuses to start..Its like an immobiliser is on..absolutely no stutter or cough just turns over. No warning lights either I leave my car running for ten minutes and remove jump leads, there is zero in his battery. We are going to remove the battery ( his car is at his work) tonight and recharge and refit but could something have tripped and need resetting at all as I said it just was never going to start although it did turn over on the starter motor very quickly.
Any help much appreciated.
I have just sold the Volvo 850R and am looking for another Rover/MG Tourer so I'll be back!

What you would normally do is remove the battery fully recharge it and then try to re-start the car. Assuming the battery is the problem in the first instance. So a logical approach to problem solving normally helps otherwise you are staggering about in the dark so to speak.....so do that then report back and we may be able to assist you in a logical way.

8th April 2017, 09:33	#1
bonnietiler Avid contributor Rover 75 Tourer CDTi Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: stockport Posts: 100 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	CDti 75 Automatic Will NOT Start!! Hi guys I do apologise if this has been beaten to death with a NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- stick but these are the symptoms. My Son has let the battery discharge, I arrive with Triumph TR8 and attach Jump leads I start my car he gets into car and it turns over like a gatling gun but resolutely refuses to start..Its like an immobiliser is on..absolutely no stutter or cough just turns over. No warning lights either I leave my car running for ten minutes and remove jump leads, there is zero in his battery. We are going to remove the battery ( his car is at his work) tonight and recharge and refit but could something have tripped and need resetting at all as I said it just was never going to start although it did turn over on the starter motor very quickly. Any help much appreciated. I have just sold the Volvo 850R and am looking for another Rover/MG Tourer so I'll be back!

8th April 2017, 09:59	#2
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8th April 2017, 13:37	#3
Wolds_lady_2006 Loves to post MG ZT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Lincolnshire Posts: 271 Thanks: 73 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	Same problem with my brothers car. Automatic, with half tank of fuel and will not fire. It's sat here in my garden...+-( There is fuel at the front pump and injectors but will not fire. RAC advises crank sensor?? Just awaiting Trikey to apply his magic, will update you Bonnie Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

9th April 2017, 12:34	#5
bonnietiler Avid contributor Rover 75 Tourer CDTi Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: stockport Posts: 100 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Just charged the battery and checked fuses. "EP" which did show has gone But although it turns over like rail-gun... It will not start Any suggestions, going to have to tow it back tonight and lend my Son my Triumph TR8...so its SERIOUS!